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I would also like a fast prime from Fuji for their GF line. I mean time, here is the 32-64mm f4 zoom lens. I like what the GF glass does.

Jeff Hanson wrote in post #18884318
Relevant to nothing here, sometimes this thread reminds me of the movie "Rain Man".

I urge you to stop living vicariously through movies. Is quite disturbing

Just enjoy shooting your Sony sensor Fuji body and enjoy photography

You would use Fuji exclusively if you shot cars professionally but you rock three systems currently?

I think it’s interesting to see that despite Sony offering up the A9 and all their stated tech in AF and big ‘Pro’ pricing it’s no better in the real world than, in this case, the X-T3. Food for thought from a working pro, even if you say it’s biased as he’s an x-photographer, the shots are there to look at and compare.

I found it to be a interesting article, thanks for sharing!

Osa713 wrote in post #18884367
You would use Fuji exclusively if you shot cars professionally but you rock three systems currently?

"IF" my line of work was based on capturing images I'd probably rent gear (Fuji 200 f/2 or Sony long telephoto) and see what meets my IQ demands. This would mean rent for a while till you get a feel for what the hardware can offer you. I bought Sony A73 blindly as well as my Fuji. This is a different approach but it's all about testing.

Osa, I'd rather use my Sony for cars vs my Canon and Fuji. I prefer the digital image of Sony flavour.

I probably should digress as I would probably spend more and go with the Sony a9 or up coming A9mk2. Simply because they are still leaders in AF performance and they are ramping up in lens gear. Many 3rd party support Sony E mount vs Fuji. If I simply want higher resolution I'll just walk over to my local favourite camera shop and buy an A7R3 (A7Rmk4? down the road). No new lenses required. All of their new A7 series have very good AF and FPS for many applications that are fast moving.

I dont have a lot of needs in shooting long but the Sony 200-600 seems to be a phenomenal performer under 3 grand. The " little difference" in high iso does matter in maximizing IQ in challenging situations. Justifiable to spend more in many cases. This is where I've met many professional photogs basing their IQ needs as "good enough" and some are down right ultra critical. We all have different measures of QC in the output.

A percentage of "pros" will "rock" an older beat up camera body as it's logical business practice to save money on a black box that captures light Some "well to do" successful pro's will buy the latest because they can and demand the utmost current performance in aiding in their capture of art.

Current gear in 2019 people are torn. The mirrored bodies will be obsolete in due time. Canon/Nikon has NOT released any worthy FF mirrorless equiv to Sony A9 or even A73. EF glass has been set back as R&D is putting money into the new RF mount lenses. The 85L f/1.4 image stabilized lens is probably the newest design for Canon mirrored world.

If you're a sports or "motor sports" Fuji shooter you have the 50-140mm which is very likely too short in many cases, 100-400 and 200 f/2. If you're a fuji shooter you have no choice but to buy a 200 f/2 if you need fast aperture speed while you adapt a TC. There's a limitation here but "it is what it is". Personally the more I used my 50-140mm I knew it was not for me as I preferred my Gmaster 70-200 or even my Canon 70-200 f/2.8 a lot more. It's all about personal preference.


Gear is just a bunch of tools. Hypothetically if I chose to make my paycheck as a professional photog I'd go for cheaper gear "if it met my needs as a system." Bottom line, as a "business" it makes sense to get capable gear to document and matches your style of shooting.

Fuji needs to ramp up on their long telephoto to keep up with other brands. They've covered excellent ground with their current lens lineup.

The fierce loyalty Fuji shooters have is quite interesting when it comes to their sony sensor, Fuji body. I can shoot with my 56mm f/1.2 but some fuji shooters will say the 50f/2 is not far off in IQ/bokeh. I can rent a Sony Gmaster 85mm f/1.4 with my FF (sorry for the bad words LOL)and I would see an IQ/bokeh difference between my X-t2 with 56mm. However some professionals will say the 56mm is good enough? What is good enough for some is not the same for others.

Testing a new GM135 f/1.8 vs Fuji 90mm f/2 is not apples to apples either.
I've seen killer work with a Fuji 90mm but if someone needed to hide undesirable backgrounds the GM135 lens is a better tool. If Fuji developed a 90mm f/1.2 it would be a comparable tool. Nothing to do with brand loyalty but what the brand offers.

I'm just enjoying photography more than ever. Emphasis on gear? nah...... different flavours from different gear is about having alternatives. A Hobby is expensive. At least I can shoot for hire from time to time as I choose.

I just learned that my new Godox V1 for my Sony has a red focus assist grid when I shoot AF-S!!!! It's "almost" my time to sell off my Fuji and Canon mirrored bodies. Lots to choose from and Canon/Nikon mirrorless FF is still evolving and just getting started!

AlanU wrote in post #18884541
Testing a new GM135 f/1.8 vs Fuji 90mm f/2 is not apples to apples either.
I've seen killer work with a Fuji 90mm but if someone needed to hide undesirable backgrounds the GM135 lens is a better tool. If Fuji developed a 90mm f/1.2 it would be a comparable tool. Nothing to do with brand loyalty but what the brand offers.

You need more than this?

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Two Hot Shoes wrote in post #18884431
I think it’s interesting to see that despite Sony offering up the A9 and all their stated tech in AF and big ‘Pro’ pricing it’s no better in the real world than, in this case, the X-T3. Food for thought from a working pro, even if you say it’s biased as he’s an x-photographer, the shots are there to look at and compare.

Indeed his scope of work it suites his particular needs and style. Not to be disrespecting or argumentative but looking at the 24hrs lemans 2019 images heavy noise reduction and uplifting shadows has made the image look unrealistic and cartoon. You can really see how hard he pushes high iso with very apparent smudgy details. Great composition but it would be interesting to see how he would do with a Sony A9 with a 400 f/2.8 and 600 f/4. Apparently the latest A9 firmware is incredible. This is where the larger FF sony sensor will out perform the smaller Sony sensor in the Fuji body.

On the other hand, this is where a Canon/Nikon ambassador shooting mirrored bodies can chime in. They could list off a tonne of long tele lenses surpassing Fuji's only long gem 200 f/2 or even Sony's lineup. Fuji benefits is excellent IQ and most importantly cheaper. Having a bag full of spare inexpensive "flagship" $1399 USD X-T3 is a nice piece of mind!! The same X-shooter could have used a cheaper $899 USD X-t30 with similar results too!

This particular Fuji x-Photographer's his gear meets his composition requirements and needs. The Canon/Nikon shooter can have different perspectives as he/she can compose differently due to longer reach with the option of fast f/2.8 or f/4 glass.

Even the proclaimed slightest difference in performance counts. A 1dxmk2, Nikon d5/d850, A9 would have an advantage for the 24hrs Le Mans environment especially in the low light.

In the end people look at the images. The average person looks at the composition and has no idea what camera you are shooting with. Some observations will be noted in the realism of the image or if it looks cartoon. It's a matter of how people post process but also hardware that is used.

We are extremely fortunate to have the tech in gear these days. It would be interesting if an unbiased test was using A9 and X-t3 side by side in the evening at the 24hrs Le Mans.

You lost me with the 'unrealistic and cartoon' comment. You may not like his processing but there's no denying that those are some banging images. In fast they are really great and I do not see the falloff in the darks or any noise from bringing up the shadows whatsoever. I wish I could shoot motorsport so nicely.

FarmerTed1971 wrote in post #18884553
You need more than this?

IMAGE LINK: https://flic.kr/p/2eGs​4B3 Ariel by Scott Tice, on Flickr

C'mon man... you are splitting hairs. Even the 50-140 at 2.8 is capable of subject isolation that is similar.

Comes to a point where it becomes subjective. But the f/2.8 dof from the aps-c is different than full frame. This is where everyone has their rating of "good enough". In my case I prefer Primes over zooms when using aps-c.

In this particular image you either cropped heavily or you've used up the entire FOV and filled it with Arial.

I sold my virtually brand new 50-140mm with no regrets. Took a hard hit on $$ as Fuji pre owned gear drops like rock. Using the Fuji 56mm f/1.2 is just more logical in portrait work due to much more consistent and pleasing bokeh. My Sigma Bokeh Master 105 f/1.4 takes images to a different level while retaining comfortable subject/camera distance and better compression than an 85mm. I do not own the Gmaster 135 f/1.8 but this also takes it to a different level. You can always stop down

The very small Sony FE 85 f/1.8 equipped with AF Lock button is cheaper than the Fuji 56mm f/1.2. Huge difference in AF speed between the two. This is the difference in what a brand offers. Nothing to do with brand loyalty. Both offer similar dof.

I still cannot lock down on a GMaster 24 f/1.4 but that lens is quite small with beast performance. Even my heavy 24mm f/1.4 ART is a different league compared to my Fuji 16mm f/1.4. There's uses for everything in my gear bag.

Bokeh is a nice to have. All depends on what your after. If your current gear meets your needs...enjoy it!!

Four minutes to Wapner.

AlanU wrote in post #18884573
In this particular image you either cropped heavily or you've used up the entire FOV and filled it with Arial.

Heavily cropped... here's SOOC

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FarmerTed1971 wrote in post #18884572
You lost me with the 'unrealistic and cartoon' comment. You may not like his processing but there's no denying that those are some banging images. In fast they are really great and I do not see the falloff in the darks or any noise from bringing up the shadows whatsoever. I wish I could shoot motorsport so nicely.

I'd love to shoot such an event!!

the X-photographer has very good composition as VIP access allows such freedom.

Heavy noise reduction is evident with plastic skin texture. Granted I bet the light is incredibly challenging.

The post processing is unique and is very artistic. It's quite animated looking rather than real to life. If the X-shooter used Sony files he'd have a more difficult time to create that kind of look IMO. Canon and Fuji it's rather easy but Sony files are totally different from my experience.

56/1.2 is all you need, good enough has nothing to do with it. If you can zoom in to 400% and have this detail out of camera what more could you need that the slight improvement in the 135mm sensor offers? I mean really, what?