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Sep 07, 2020 16:44 |  #13261

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is this an improvement???

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I'm viewing the new posts and your photo is on the screen. My wife happens to notice your photo and says she is adorable. I show her the shiftlens photo and ask her what do you think and her reply
was simply ugh. Now this is coming from someone who is totally clueless when it comes to photography. Bottom line if its not broke don't fix it.




  
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Sep 07, 2020 19:42 as a reply to  @ post 19121709 |  #13262

Looks WAY overprocessed. Can you not just change the WB of the original?


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Sep 07, 2020 20:21 |  #13263

a little too HDR'ish for my taste.. but was experimenting
2 photos blended , tried to make it look believable but something looks off in the sky to me,

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Sep 07, 2020 20:25 |  #13264

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a little too HDR'ish for my taste.. but was experimenting
2 photos blended , tried to make it look believable but something looks off in the sky to me,

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Sep 07, 2020 20:29 as a reply to  @ windpig's post |  #13265

a humid 75.. comfortable summer evening


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Sep 08, 2020 00:08 |  #13266

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Nope they are way way off. Are you using AWB? Jpegs or RAW? I am not the color guy who can pick small color casts but here there is something going on.

shot Raw auto white balance, she had some red on her face that I tried to remove, that said Ive printed this image and it looks fine so I think I will leave it alone, she has pale skin and white hair, the lilac was pale and the colour on that looks correct, the only thing that looks out to me is I darkened the background green a little


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Sep 08, 2020 09:54 |  #13268

aladyforty wrote in post #19121871 (external link)
shot Raw auto white balance, she had some red on her face that I tried to remove, that said Ive printed this image and it looks fine so I think I will leave it alone, she has pale skin and white hair, the lilac was pale and the colour on that looks correct, the only thing that looks out to me is I darkened the background green a little

Looks like the WB is running cold with too much blue in it to me. I stole a screen shot and did a little colour correction in C1 that I'll now delete. I won't presume to post here or anywhere without permission but I'll PM you it before I delete it.


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Sep 08, 2020 10:15 |  #13269

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Looks like the WB is running cold with too much blue in it to me. I stole a screen shot and did a little colour correction in C1 that I'll now delete. I won't presume to post here or anywhere without permission but I'll PM you it before I delete it.


My original was pretty close to that but I got people saying it was too warm, I guess its all a matter of taste, but maybe I will just trust the camera in future


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Sep 08, 2020 13:04 |  #13270

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My original was pretty close to that but I got people saying it was too warm, I guess its all a matter of taste, but maybe I will just trust the camera in future

If it’s any conciliation, as a fellow birder I struggle with skin tones too. It’s not something we deal with normally, so, even as an accomplished birder, with portraiture you’re starting from scratch. Personally, I’ve always admired how wedding photographers manage their PP.


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Sep 08, 2020 13:43 |  #13271

One issue with these portraits of the little girl and the previous portraits of the subject standing in the flowers with the backlight is that there is a significant blue cast - this can be addressed with a white balance correction. Although it is a little more difficult to correct an 8bpc image grabbed from the internet compared to a raw image file, I have attached an image that demonstrates the cast. In the "corrected" image, I simply made a duplicate layer in PS and invoked the Camera Raw filter and applied an auto white balance operation in it. I then changed the blend mode of this layer to Color to swap the adjusted color with the original color. I then added a curves layer to brighten the overall tone in the image.

The white dot depicted in the center of the subject's forehead is a reference for the skin tone - it is an area that usually does not get flush or rosy with cooler temperature and, in adults, is not a heavily made up area with potential artificial colors applied. As can be seen, the a and b values for the area in the before and after images demonstrate a significant blue cast (the b value is negative, denoted by parentheses, in the original and positive in the after image). Skin tone, regardless of gender and racial differences, has a pretty consistent composition of positive a and positive b, with b typically slightly greater than a. This is a good rule of thumb for checking your skin tones "by the numbers" so that an inaccurate display profile or tired, adapted eyes do not interfere with color editing.

If you are shooting in open shade, then it is not surprising that there is a blue cast - you are getting primarily skylight illuminating your subject, as opposed to direct sunlight. Add to that shooting in dappled shade under a green leafy canopy, which can introduce a green cast into the scene, and you get blue-green illumination - one might counter this by adding the opposite, which is magenta, making things that are already way too blue turn purple. The original area on the subject's forehead, reading a16 and b(7) is purplish, which is not a typical skin tone and is visually disconcerting. Notice that the after image retains the a16, but adjusts the b from (7) to 20, where it should be and the entire scene falls into place.

I hope this is helpful. As an aside, along the lines of Kim's post, I have deleted the file from my computer that I used to generate the comparison image. I exercised my judgement to use the image for explanatory purposes, but I also want to respect your personal work and the privacy of the subject in the image. Please post here if you would prefer that I remove the attached image from this post as well.

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EDIT - If you are unfamiliar with Lab color jargon: "a" and "b" are color axes in the Lab color model. a represents the green-magenta axis and b represents the blue-yellow axis. Negative a values tend toward green, positive a values tend toward magenta (red). Negative b values tend toward blue, positive b values tend toward yellow. You can think of the a axis as the "tint" slider and the b axis as the color temperature slider in a typical CCT white balance adjustment model like that in ACR/LR.

a16 b(7) = +a and -b = bluish red = purplish

a16 b20 = +a and +b = reddish yellow = orangish, or skin tone.

To address a white balance issue you can shoot in AWB, set a specific, preset WB in camera, or shoot a WB reference card or target in the scene lighting and set a custom white balance in camera. Of course with a raw file you can always adjust WB during conversion, but you still need a neutral reference if the lighting is not straightforward.

If, as you mentioned, you printed this image and it looks good, then maybe this color palette is simply what you prefer and white balance is simply a preference and not a literal rule for the images you like to make.

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Sep 08, 2020 14:09 |  #13272

If you are using AWB, make sure that you do not have a WB shift adjustment added, that you may have applied at some point in the past and forgot to reset to 0,0. This makes no difference to the raw file, but will affect he JPEG and the camera histogram display.

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EDIT - if the original image looks too warm, consider that there may be something amiss with your display profile or similar hiccup in your color managed workflow.

A brute force way to get a sanity check is to convert you image to a JPEG in sRGB and "proof" it on your smartphone display. These devices are pretty uniform in their display characteristics and the user can't alter their display characteristics too drastically, so , in an ironic way, they are a good point of reference. If your smartphone displays an image that is drastically different than your editing display, something is amiss.

Another sanity check is to select the entire image in PS and perform a Filter > Blur > Average on the image and take a look at the average luminosity and color. Attached is an image comprised of two patches of color from that operation performed on the before and after images I previously posted. This can often help visualize the overall cast without the distracting visual details of the image. You can also sample the average image color cast patch, invert that color and use it to apply a custom Photo Filter adjustment layer in PS - that is, you nondestructively apply the opposite of the average cast color to the image to neutralize the cast.

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Sep 08, 2020 15:51 |  #13273

AWB, ugh!


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Sep 08, 2020 23:13 |  #13274

windpig wrote in post #19122186 (external link)
AWB, ugh!

I normally find the AWB to be pretty close to spot on most of the time with my Fuji's, it's one of the things I was most impressed by when I first switched.

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Sep 09, 2020 00:52 |  #13275

EverydayGetaway wrote in post #19122333 (external link)
I normally find the AWB to be pretty close to spot on most of the time with my Fuji's, it's one of the things I was most impressed by when I first switched.

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The handling of greens on your X-Pro2 on the other hand is less impressive :lol:
Interesting effect :-)


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