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Dual 580EXII's vs Quadra?

 
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Jan 10, 2013 08:44 |  #31

Whortleberry wrote in post #15469584 (external link)
Ws, ws, w•s and w/s (with capitalisation as appropriate to correct sentence structure) are all acceptable abbreviations of the term depending on:

I disagree about all of your versions except the first one, since

  • In the SI system, capitalisation is an integral part of what a certain letter means. M and m isn't the same thing, for example, and neither is s and S.
  • W/s would mean watt per second, not watt-second, so that's a completely different quantity.
The only widely accepted variant I'm aware of is that l (lower case L for liter) can be abbreviated L, but that's just because l is with some fonts different to tell apart from | and 1.
I do however know that there is a lot of misuse of these units, especially in the countries where the obsolete English system of units is still used for many purposes, engineering included. Many Americans write K for kilometer, instead of the correct km, and kph (kilo-pico-hour) instead of the correct km/h.
The whole idea with the SI-system (Système International d'Unités) is that it's used in exactly the same way everywhere, or confusion will still exist.
So while there may be many variants of English, there's only one of the international system of units. The writing of the names of the units is different in different languages, but not the symbols, and the symbols were used in the posts in this thread.

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Jan 10, 2013 13:38 |  #32

Thanks for all the info guys. I'm meeting up with a mate this weekend who happens to be selling a quadra kit so I'll test it out myself and if I'm happy I can have a late xmas present for myself!


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Jan 10, 2013 15:58 |  #33

"W" in Ws should be in capitals as it is a unit named to honor James Watt (see link below).

Storage energy of a flash should be expressed in Watt seconds, Watt • seconds, Ws, W x s, W•s, Joules, or J. These are all units to express a quantity of energy. The "s" for second(s) should not be in caps.

Flash storage energy can also be expressed in Joules, as 1 Joule equals 1 Watt second. It is not seen rated in Joules as often as Watt seconds, but it is perfectly correct.

The "J" in Joules should also be capitalized as it is named to honor James Prescott Joule (see link below).

But, it definitely should NOT be rated in Watts per second (W/s, W per s, Watts / second). That is an entirely different unit of measurement. Incorrect ratings of flash storage energy in W/s is pervasive, but still very incorrect. Multiplication by "something" (Ws) should inherently and easily be recognized as something quite different than division by the same "something" (W/s).

Personally, if we just consistently used Joules (or J) for rating flash storage energy this confusion would likely dissipate.

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Jan 13, 2013 13:40 |  #34

I'm a "run and gun" shooter. Never consider speed lights (I have 3). The Quadra is my first choice in just about every application.


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May 30, 2013 04:36 |  #35

Trailboy wrote in post #15462249 (external link)
But the quadra outputs its light very differently. That 80w/s power output it usually at maximum zoom, whereas the quadras is outputting its light in almost a 360 degree orb. No hotshoe gun will ever fill a softbox like a bare headed quadra.

They are incomparable, like I said. Different tools for different jobs.

I'm new to al these "calculations" like reading somewhere in this thread I'm like a point and shoot guy, following my feelings how to light something.
Now I have a question how would a Quadra behave using a High Performance Reflector 45º Ø26cm of elinchrome?
The light would be thrown at the subject even more, using all the power to kill for instance the sunlight.


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