So Canon doesn't want people shooting 4k video with the 1D X...

I guess Canon got fed up with people bypassing the firmware on their cameras and allowing uncompressed HDMI output on the 5DIII for instance.

Canonrumors asked about a third party firmware for the 1D series. Here's the reply they got from Canon:

http://www.canonrumors​.com …nside-the-canon-eos-1d-c/

From that statement I get the impression you could very well shoot 4k video with the 1D X is someone were to modify the firmware. Of course the 1D C is twice as expensive and Canon really wants people to pay the premium. Of course they also talk about the heatsink inside the 1D C but anyway.

Rofl. That's even worse than Apple.

What gives them the right to stop me from modifying / changing a product that I have bought?

Canon is going more and more ape**** crazy with their market segmentation.

So the difference between the 1Dx and 1Dc is firmware. Personally I don't think Canon would have a leg to stand on if people decided to write their own code for the 1Dx. I don't see how it's any different than companies that write ECU software for cars to replace the OE software.

Thats a harsh reply, maybe we are borrowing these bodies from Canon and are not allowed to modify them.

rick_reno wrote in post #15463953
Thats a harsh reply, maybe we are borrowing these bodies from Canon and are not allowed to modify them.

Uh oh.....
Rick, are you saying we should be paying more attention to the fine print in the owners manual?

Pretty soon EosUtility will start by checking your camera for aftermarket firmware.

Scatterbrained wrote in post #15463897
...Personally I don't think Canon would have a leg to stand on if people decided to write their own code for the 1Dx...

Probably not, but how many people do that? They don't care about camera owners who write their own code.

If they take action, it will be against third parties who provide modified software to others.

For example, someone who takes the firmware out of a 1D C and provides it as a download/upgrade to others to load into their 1Dx's would, at least, be guilty of copyright violation, it seems to me.

Pure reverse engineering is probably legal, though.

RTPVid wrote in post #15464129
Probably not, but how many people do that? They don't care about camera owners who write their own code.

If they take action, it will be against third parties who provide modified software to others.

For example, someone who takes the firmware out of a 1D C and provides it as a download/upgrade to others to load into their 1Dx's would, at least, be guilty of copyright violation, it seems to me.

Pure reverse engineering is probably legal, though.

I think their statement was aimed at the Magic Lantern guys. I imagine there are people inside of Canon who would like to kill off Magic Lantern if they could. I imagine right now they're afraid the ML crew will crack a 1Dx and write some firmware for it allowing 4k video.

Scatterbrained wrote in post #15464192
I think their statement was aimed at the Magic Lantern guys. I imagine there are people inside of Canon who would like to kill off Magic Lantern if they could. I imagine right now they're afraid the ML crew will crack a 1Dx and write some firmware for it allowing 4k video.

I suspect you are correct.

Scatterbrained wrote in post #15464107
Uh oh.....
Rick, are you saying we should be paying more attention to the fine print in the owners manual?

Pretty soon EosUtility will start by checking your camera for aftermarket firmware.

in another industry....

EA games already requires all of its new games to be used in an ALWAYS online mode...basically to fight the "rampant video game piracy"

what i cant get over is... who on earth would pirate an EA game?

back to photography: I could see canon requiring CPS membership and occasional "checks" of its products that you purchased out right....

although, if that were to happen, I could only imagine the piss beating canon would receive... I dont even shoot video and all of my gear would be on craigslist, this forum, get dpi and ebay with in minutes.

Scatterbrained wrote in post #15464192
I think their statement was aimed at the Magic Lantern guys. I imagine there are people inside of Canon who would like to kill off Magic Lantern if they could. I imagine right now they're afraid the ML crew will crack a 1Dx and write some firmware for it allowing 4k video.

Yea that's what I was thinking also.

Funny how third party software developers are much more innovative than Canon. Magic Lantern offers so many great additional features which could easily be added by Canon.

If Canon were smart they should just hire the magic lantern developers to innovate for Canon, instead of indirectly threatening them.

Its probably ****ing with their marketing, product separation lines, and liabilities.

ML Can absolutely **** up your camera, and you need a minimum amount of IQ to run it, you are not a P mode shooter at that point, and if you read the warning, you popped the battery out as soon as it stuck.

Canon would not want that kind of liability on their hands, they also don't want to have to over complicate production lines to avoid "hidden" features. Its to be expected that they're going to cripple their lower models compared to their higher-end.

As for the specific issue at hand, i'm sure theres more than just firmware involved, extra cooling on the sensor would make sense, as well as other interior designs, but unless someone breaks open a 1d X & C, i don't know if we'd ever get all the answers.

Maybe you could enable 4k out of a 1dx, and lower your sensor's life considerably in the process, something Canon would not want. Not to mention that ALL manufacturer's hate when you modify things while under warranty, and will void it as soon as you do.... if they can prove that you did, ML kinda skips this beat and if it does cause issues under warranty Canon would have to fix something out of their pocket thats not their fault. That being said, while i completely understand why Canon would hate ML, i think those guys are awesome and should keep doing what they're doing.

I also think this should be a non-issue legally, this whole "rental" of hardware is complete BS and Sony started this ****, and it needs to die. I bought something, i can do damn well what i please with it, only thing i expect is that if i do mod it, you're not going to warranty it.

There's quite a large difference in nuance here. The original quote states:

This is not in line with the current interpretation I'm reading in many places that this is somehow an official statement made by Canon's PR department. It's just some guy (one out of the 200 thousand) claiming Canon will release the hounds as soon as someone makes a magic lantern-type of feature for the 1Dx. I'm taking that entire statement with a few grains of salt, or maybe a truckload.

I really don't see much point in shooting 4K video footage on lenses not designed primarily to shoot moving footage, which is partly why the new Canon CN-E lenses are so expensive.

I'm not even interested in shooting full HD, but I think you have to consider that 4K video, even with sub-optimal lenses, the quality is still better than full HD. Basically you're shifting the bottleneck.

However, good quality lenses (doesn't even need to be CINE lenses), are easily capable of outresolving 4K resolution.

TweakMDS wrote in post #15465369
I'm not even interested in shooting full HD, but I think you have to consider that 4K video, even with sub-optimal lenses, the quality is still better than full HD. Basically you're shifting the bottleneck.

However, good quality lenses (doesn't even need to be CINE lenses), are easily capable of outresolving 4K resolution.

Yup. The "4K" standard is only about 8.1 megapixels...

Which means even the 50/1.8 handily out resolves that requirement!