How is the <$2000 D600 so much better than 5DmIII ???

because the D600 lacks the Mk III's advanced "don't let oil drip onto the sensor" technology.

jdizzle wrote in post #15482786
I'm going to have to burst your bubble. If you read into the DR numbers of the D800/D600, it falls in line with DXO. I'm a landscape guy and DR is important to me. My 1Ds III is still the DR king compared to the 1D X and 5D III.

What bubble? I agree that the current Sony sensors are much better in terms of DR. Why does everyone assume I don't like DXO cause of that? :/
My point, which you seem to fail to get, so I'm writing this for the third time: I want sample photos to judge myself, DxO doesn't give me that, thus it's of no use to me. Simple as that.

Clark wrote in post #15478927
How about you just go and shoot? I have never looked at a photo and said, "I bet that was taken with a Canon"

I sometimes see a photo and think it should have been shot with a Cannon

KhaledA wrote in post #15485888
What bubble? I agree that the current Sony sensors are much better in terms of DR. Why does everyone assume I don't like DXO cause of that? :/
My point, which you seem to fail to get, so I'm writing this for the third time: I want sample photos to judge myself, DxO doesn't give me that, thus it's of no use to me. Simple as that.

I posted samples. It is obvious the Sony sensors have better DR.

https://photography-on-the.net …?p=15483160&pos​tcount=101

Hogloff wrote in post #15478400
...but they are very scientific with their testing process.

Much more than taking a picture of their cat and claiming it is sharp.

This made be blow coffee out my noise

RMH wrote in post #15486110


This made be blow coffee out my noise

Sounds painful. Here, we dont call it a noise though....

Hmm, like most have posted here, DXO-mark scores should not be the sole reason to determine how a particular DSLR performs. Not even close. There are numerous other factors to consider as well, such as ergonomics and autofocus system and so on.

However, I do believe DXO-scores does give us a good indication of how the body's sensor perform. I had one chance to try the D800 compared to my 5D II, and I have to admit I was blown away by the Nikon's ability to recover shadows so smoothly. Granted it was just a one days test, but it was enough to see the difference. While in the same time I really hate the 5D2 low Iso Banding, and to my understanding 5D3 still shares this problem. I guess landscaping is more of my thing than portraiture..

Anyway, by saying this I hope I won't get crucified, but to me it is no secret that Canon has fallen quite a bit behind when it comes to sensor technology and particularly in dynamic range. There can never be enough DR, if you ask me. It will be interesting to see how far sensors have evolved say 10 years from now...

I was hoping the EOS 6D would improve things in DR for Canon, but not yet it seems. So it will probably be the EOS 3D that will be Canon's ultimate answer for Nikon. Unfortunately, according to http://www.canonrumors​.com …ory/photography​/canon-3d/, we are still a long way from 3D's release. And I bet that thing is going to cost a fortune..

So if money was no issue (unfortunately it always is), I would probably use a D800 for landscaping and 5D3 for portraits, e.g. weddings where it truly excels . Still I'd like to say all modern Nikon and Canon bodies are great, the differences of the bodies are from average user's perspective marginal, ultimately it's the user and glass that makes the difference...

Tmuussoni wrote in post #15486537
I really hate the 5D2 low Iso Banding, and to my understanding 5D3 still shares this problem. I guess landscaping is more of my thing than portraiture..

I hated it too and I must admit in the 4k+ frames I have shot with the 5D3 I must say Im impressed and although its not completely gone, it has been significantly reduced. Reduced to the point where its a non issue unless I'm trying to raise the exposure 2+ stops.

5D3 ISO 6400 85mm f/2 Crap bar lighting. I even pushed the shadows to +20 in LR and added 1/3 stop exposure.

jdizzle wrote in post #15486050
I posted samples. It is obvious the Sony sensors have better DR.

https://photography-on-the.net …?p=15483160&pos​tcount=101

Yes, you posted samples, not DxO. The Sony sensors are amazing in terms of DR, no one is disputing that. But for me, it's not enough to change systems, or worth the financial hit.

gh patriot wrote in post #15486648
I hated it too and I must admit in the 4k+ frames I have shot with the 5D3 I must say Im impressed and although its not completely gone, it has been significantly reduced. Reduced to the point where its a non issue unless I'm trying to raise the exposure 2+ stops.

ok, thanks for the tip. For some reason I thought 5D3 has the same banding issue as 5D2, but if it's atleast reduced, that is very good news indeed. Bad news is I am wanting the 5D3 even more now

KhaledA wrote in post #15486780
Yes, you posted samples, not DxO. The Sony sensors are amazing in terms of DR, no one is disputing that. But for me, it's not enough to change systems, or worth the financial hit.

I'm a landscape shooter and not many understand our needs for DR. I love the 5D3 but, there isn't much head room even if I had to manually exposure blend.

I am in the process of switching from Canon to Leica M. I picked up a Leica MM and I am sold. It out performs the 5DIII in low light and the glass is like no other period. I am anxiously waiting to see the new M in the spring. Its going to take a few years but I am I will eventually have a couple of Ms or maybe an M-E which I actually prefer if the new CMOS works out and finds its way to the M-E.

gh patriot wrote in post #15486662
5D3 ISO 6400 85mm f/2 Crap bar lighting. I even pushed the shadows to +20 in LR and added 1/3 stop exposure.

The 5D3 does well in low light. I have no issue with that. As of now, Canon seems to cater to the high ISO and video crowd.

jdizzle wrote in post #15486880
The 5D3 does well in low light. I have no issue with that. As of now, Canon seems to cater to the high ISO and video crowd.

Ok... I'm happy for you that you dont have an issue with the 5D3 in low light. I posted the photo for tmuussoni and his concerns with banding which was bad at low ISO and terrible at high ISO - which is why I quoted him. I will however add that at 1600 and up (where I shoot alot) the dynamic range is roughly the same as the D600.