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Looking for a 50mm f1.4. Are there any good ones?

 
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Jan 24, 2013 08:10 |  #46

nothsa wrote in post #15523566 (external link)
I've been looking to get a 50mm f1.4 lens and was initially looking at the Canon, and then later started looking at the Sigma as I liked the bokeh more in comparison photos.

After reading a number of reviews and forums, the consensus seems to be that both lenses are great when they work, but "don't buy the Sigma 'cause you may get one with front- or back-focussing issues" and "don't buy the Canon because it's very soft wide open, and has a fragile focus mechanism that can easily break".

So my question is: Are these people being overly critical, or are these valid concerns? If so, I might have to start looking at a different focal length for my portrait lens =/

Everything has been pretty much said in this thread. But if you don't mind manual focusing, I recommend the superb Asahi Pentax S-M-C Super-takumar 50mm f1.4. With any luck, you can find them on a good price, and I would dare to say they beat the Canon f1.4 and Sigma f1.4 in overall image quality (bokeh, contrast, colors). And since you have a crop body, there shouldn't be any problems with mirror. However, if you someday update to full frame, then there might be problems with the lens hitting the mirror...


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Jan 24, 2013 09:17 |  #47

Sirrith wrote in post #15526524 (external link)
Build quality obviously is not great. However, build quality has no impact on a photo. IQ-wise the 50/1.8 is pretty much as good as the more expensive versions, and though the AF is slower, it is more than good enough. You don't use a fast 50 to shoot sports or birds in flight. The rest is down to the photographer.

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i'm not talking about build quality, i don't expect that too be good given the price point. Its soft, has THE harshest bokeh i've ever seen. if you can't tell the difference in IQ between this lens and the more expensive versions, then keep on shooting with it, the real lenses are not for you. while its capable of producing images that your granmda finds fantastic, relatively speaking they're significantly worse.


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Jan 24, 2013 09:28 |  #48

lots of douchebaggery in here! lol


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Jan 24, 2013 09:36 |  #49

Just going to leave this here. 100% crop from my 5D2 using the 50 1.4 @ f2.8. Its a sharp lens!

This image is not SOOC though, this is after I did my usual post work which includes Lightroom and Photoshop adjustments.

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Looks much better on my 21" monitor than the skewed tiny 1024px version that the forum limits it to.

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Jan 24, 2013 09:48 as a reply to  @ Tony_Stark's post |  #50

artyH wrote in post #15526065 (external link)
I have the Canon version. It is sharp at apertures larger than F2 (f1.6, 1.8, etc.) with accurate AF. I always keep mine stored with hood on in the normal position to prtotect the front lens assembly. It never comes off the lens.
Once any of these lenses are stopped down to F2.8, they are going to be very sharp.

^^^ This pretty much says what I was going to :)


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Jan 24, 2013 10:31 |  #51

Tony_Stark wrote in post #15527945 (external link)
Just going to leave this here. 100% crop from my 5D2 using the 50 1.4 @ f2.8. Its a sharp lens!

This image is not SOOC though, this is after I did my usual post work which includes Lightroom and Photoshop adjustments.

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Looks much better on my 21" monitor than the skewed tiny 1024px version that the forum limits it to.

Yours may be sharp, they are not all that way. ;)


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Jan 24, 2013 13:31 |  #52

Sold my Canon and and replaced it with the Sigma, the Sigma just felt better balanced on a 5d.
No focusing issues, sharper and better build, the Canon looks and feels like a toy lens next to the Sigma.

Not saying all copies are perfect straight out the box like mine, but I don't believe that Sigma QC is as bad as people say, if it was, they wouldn't offer a 3 year warranty with this lens.




  
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Jan 24, 2013 18:57 |  #53

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i'm not talking about build quality, i don't expect that too be good given the price point. Its soft, has THE harshest bokeh i've ever seen. if you can't tell the difference in IQ between this lens and the more expensive versions, then keep on shooting with it, the real lenses are not for you. while its capable of producing images that your granmda finds fantastic, relatively speaking they're significantly worse.

Harshest bokeh you have ever seen? Really? You obviously haven't seen much then. Or are you talking about the pentagon shaped specular highlights which aren't really harsh "bokeh"? Let me assure you, a client is not going to notice the shape of the highlights. IQ wise? It is pretty much as sharp as the other versions, has similar distortion, similar CA.

Let me put it to you in way which you may find easier to understand:
Give a 50/1.8 to a good photographer who is using the 50/1.2, and you will not see any difference in her photos save maybe for slightly deeper DOF which you won't notice unless looking at images side by side anyway.

Give a 50/1.2 to someone shooting crap photos with a 50/1.8, you aren't going to see any difference in the results either.

Give either one of them this:
http://www.amazon.com …LEGO-Camera/dp/B002L6I9Z4 (external link)
and you will see a difference. That is what a toy is. The 50/1.8 is not a toy.

As for the personal attacks, I will ignore them because you are obviously not capable of mature discussion. I knew there was a good reason you were on my ignore list.


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Jan 24, 2013 19:23 as a reply to  @ The Greek's post |  #54

My 1.4 behaves nicely.

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Jan 24, 2013 21:10 |  #55

Sirrith wrote in post #15529911 (external link)
Harshest bokeh you have ever seen? Really? You obviously haven't seen much then. Or are you talking about the pentagon shaped specular highlights which aren't really harsh "bokeh"? Let me assure you, a client is not going to notice the shape of the highlights. IQ wise? It is pretty much as sharp as the other versions, has similar distortion, similar CA.

Let me put it to you in way which you may find easier to understand:
Give a 50/1.8 to a good photographer who is using the 50/1.2, and you will not see any difference in her photos save maybe for slightly deeper DOF which you won't notice unless looking at images side by side anyway.

Give a 50/1.2 to someone shooting crap photos with a 50/1.8, you aren't going to see any difference in the results either.

Give either one of them this:
http://www.amazon.com …LEGO-Camera/dp/B002L6I9Z4 (external link)
and you will see a difference. That is what a toy is. The 50/1.8 is not a toy.

As for the personal attacks, I will ignore them because you are obviously not capable of mature discussion. I knew there was a good reason you were on my ignore list.

Actually, 50mm f/1.8 defocus blur can be kind of rough depending on the circumstances...enough that you can be distracted by it. It's not the harshest ever but it can be the opposite of pleasant.


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Jan 24, 2013 21:47 |  #56

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Actually, 50mm f/1.8 defocus blur can be kind of rough depending on the circumstances...enough that you can be distracted by it. It's not the harshest ever but it can be the opposite of pleasant.

Yes, but the same applies to the 1.4 version's nervous bokeh... :)


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Jan 24, 2013 21:50 |  #57

Sirrith wrote in post #15530600 (external link)
Yes, but the same applies to the 1.4 version's nervous bokeh... :)

Yes it's not perfect either. It's not quite as jittery though.


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Jan 24, 2013 21:52 as a reply to  @ cdifoto's post |  #58

Sirrith wrote:
I will however, be in possession of both versions of the 1.8 and the 1.4 in a few hours time, so I will do some testing.

Well, I just did some quick testing and so far these are my impressions:
Build quality equal
MF ring quality better on the 1.8 Mk I, the 1.4 is a little bit stiff, so fine adjustments are a bit harder to make. But then the 1.4 has FTM, so that evens it out IMO.
Sharpness ever so slightly better on the 1.4
CA ever so slightly better on the 1.8 Mk I
AF speed about equal, a nod to the 1.4 perhaps, but much quieter on the 1.4

Other things I noticed:
The bokeh balls on the 1.4 are a bit bigger at the same apertures than the 1.8


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Jan 24, 2013 22:41 |  #59

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I had 50mm 1.4 and it had focusing issues - no way you could get it to focus in less than f2.8, which kinda defeated the purpose of the lens.

This makes no sense whatsoever. Every EF lens on a modern Canon camera focuses wide open and then stops down at the instant of the shot.


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Jan 25, 2013 05:14 |  #60

Sirrith wrote in post #15530600 (external link)
Yes, but the same applies to the 1.4 version's nervous bokeh... :)

for me, wide open for wide open, i prefer the 1.8 over the 1.4. the 1.4 bokeh REALLY rubs me the wrong way.

ymmv of course
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