A New Bare Bulb Flash Arrives

dmward wrote in post #16167213
I'm not going to try to capture all the various quotes and as Sig said we should get back on topic.
The ND filters, which I have do require adapter rings and all that is a hassle. But available if required.

Oh I dont do family portraits weddings or that many portraits.

The lenses I use are 77mm, its one size so everything is easier. You are right I didnt think about others.

based on price you go with the cheaper one Sooooo not too sure what to say here

(yes I know what you mean )

Most of the professionals I work with have worse gear than me. Gear comes directly out of their pocket with out a supplemental income. Pro Am can get good gear because they have a job and the photography gig pays for the gear as well. The studio has rentals or the client pays for rentals. Keep in mind I am not shooting weddings or family portraits.

The funny thing is that many of us have several lighting systems, all with advantages and disadvantages. Those of us with Cheetah lights love them. They do what they're suppose to do, and do it well. Yet we have some people trying to sell us on the idea that somehow, we must be wrong, because these lights don't have features that we don't need anyway.

Does this about sum it up?

jcolman wrote in post #16167036
White backgrounds can be grey, light grey, white, bright white and blown out. All depending on how much light you put on it.

White is white
Grey is grey

Are you suggesting David did not know what he was talking about?

Nice! I have two lenses.
I have the feature now on the lights I run. I think its over rated, I dont use it.

jcolman wrote in post #16167944
The funny thing is that many of us have several lighting systems, all with advantages and disadvantages. Those of us with Cheetah lights love them. They do what they're suppose to do, and do it well. Yet we have some people trying to sell us on the idea that somehow, we must be wrong, because these lights don't have features that we don't need anyway.

Does this about sum it up?

I am happy you like them. I am glad they do what they are suppose to do.


I think you need to tone it down there son. Anything that contradicts your opinion is some one selling you that you are wrong? I must have missed that post where they said you are wrong for getting this. I think you are taking your gear way to personal to be honest. I understand you put your money down for it, but I think you are getting REALLY married to it. I think you need to take a breath. I mean David isnt this worked up and we are having a nice conversation about it.

sigma pi wrote in post #16167947
White is white
Grey is grey

Are you suggesting David did not know what he was talking about?

Nice! I have two lenses.
I have the feature now on the lights I run. I think its over rated, I dont use it.

No, I was referencing your post where you said "white is white". White is only as white as you want to make it by putting more or less light on it, while retaining proper exposure on whatever you put in from of the background.


For the work you seem to do, you don't need the ability to adjust power from the camera. That is fine for you. But for David, myself and plenty of others, this feature was a huge selling point for us, as we use it daily.

jcolman wrote in post #16167971
For the work you seem to do, you don't need the ability to adjust power from the camera. That is fine for you. But for David, myself and plenty of others, this feature was a huge selling point for us, as we use it daily.

Agreed, what works for you and makes you happy I am all for!

What works for me probably wont work for you, but thats OK. Just a different style of shooting.

sigma pi wrote in post #16167970
I am happy you like them. I am glad they do what they are suppose to do.


I think you are making a complete ass on that last part. Anything that contradicts your opinion is some one selling you that you are wrong? I must have missed that post where they said you are wrong for getting this. I think you are taking your gear way to personal to be honest. I understand you put your money down for it, but I think you are getting REALLY married to it. I think you need to take a breath. I mean David isnt this worked up and we are having a nice conversation about it.

I was not addressing you in my statement. I think my posts referencing you have made it quite clear that I don't really care one way or another if you "like" these lights or not. I'm happy for you that you don't need the same features that I do in a light system.

jcolman wrote in post #16167944
these lights don't have features that we don't need anyway.

Does this about sum it up?

Thats a good thing! I agree completely! We are on the same page

sigma pi wrote in post #16167987
Thats a good thing! I agree completely! We are on the same page

We are indeed.

jcolman wrote in post #16167983
I was not addressing you in my statement. I think my posts referencing you have made it quite clear that I don't really care one way or another if you "like" these lights or not. I'm happy for you that you don't need the same features that I do in a light system.

But that post just says I am coming here selling you on stuff and you are wrong for liking this. I am not saying that. I am saying if it fits your style of shooting, great! get a ton and go shot

OK I think we can circle back to price now.

Love my CL-180 and 360! Price was no option, portability space and (adjustable power) was a keen factor. In fact, place my profoto D1's on that famous site and planning on getting two more 360's. I have tried many lights including the Ab.s Einsteins, D1s, 4 Sb900's and the CL's are just what I have been waiting for. Excellent lighting during formals and reception lighting.

sigma pi wrote in post #16167996
But that post just says I am coming here selling you on stuff and you are wrong for liking this. I am not saying that. I am saying if it fits your style of shooting, great! get a ton and go shot

OK I think we can circle back to price now.

Actually, Mike, I think it was our friend PWW who was making the Quantum hard sell touting features that many of us don't need and don't want.

PhotographersWorldWide wrote in post #16167477
As Sigma Pi said: "Can we circle back to price?" ...thats where its at - forget features.

Cheetah don't do on camera or off camera TTL flash in any configuration, not even auto or automatic focus assist or have a coherent radio control system linking camera to flash like QTM does - although you can sure think up multiple ways of (maybe) making these things work by mixing third party systems along with two Cheetah versions of radios as the last... what(?).. 30 pages have been concerned with and those solutions only sometimes work.

Nobody would buy a Speedlight without those TTL, auto, automatic focus assist or coherent camera interfaces.. so why do it now? You get only what you pay for.. and thats less.

You will note how the AB Einstein evangelists of days of yore.. are quick to switch allegiance from their 'best' setup ever.. to the "new barebulb flash" whilst all along, a pedigree barebulb flash existed, exists and still out performs today. That doesn't say much about their advice and enthusiasm for their previous 'solutions' does it?

This whole post is just silly. What are you even talking about here? First you say let's talk price not features, then go on to discuss nothing but features. Huh? Then you claim no one buys speedlights without TTL. So all those manual speedlights on the market are given to people as gifts? Then you make a ludicrous claim with no data to back it up regarding Einstein owners jumping ship. All just silly...

I think we are going to get to a point to where we are going to start throwing our "mouse" at each other!!

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