A New Bare Bulb Flash Arrives

elv wrote in post #15599462
I think you read my mind there could be a nice CNC alloy base machined for this.

I have broken the foot off speedlights though, no problem at all!

And give that thought, I would rather the shoe break than have a solid alloy base which would then break the plastic flash case instead if there was an accident. Its better to have a replaceable weak point (though a 1/4" mounting hole would still be nice).
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Elv,
I agree abou the benefit of a weak point to protect the flash. Wonder if the foot plastic part is available as a replacement part? Would be easy to cement a 1/4 20 to 3/8 20 adapter in place of the hot foot and then let that break.

I don't know if you guys have seen the 360 version, but that is a BIG mama ! So I think think that's the point were a lot of people are really going to be asking why does this flash have a hotshoe foot?

And for that reason I think its pretty inevitable they will end up making solid base option anyway.


Regarding why they have hotshoes, I think the manufactures are still nervous about dedicated off camera speedlight style flashes, because the on-camera flashes still have a much bigger market available. Even though being fully manual these will mostly be used off camera, simply removing the hotshoe instantly cuts down that potential market.

Once these get started though I'm sure we are going to see a lot more to come, and some nice evolution in design too.
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So thought I saw somewhere the 360 was going to be in the same body ?
Is that not the case ?

elv wrote in post #15599765
I don't know if you guys have seen the 360 version, but that is a BIG mama ! So I think think that's the point were a lot of people are really going to be asking why does this flash have a hotshoe foot?

And for that reason I think its pretty inevitable they will end up making solid base option anyway.


Regarding why they have hotshoes, I think the manufactures are still nervous about dedicated off camera speedlight style flashes, because the on-camera flashes still have a much bigger market available. Even though being fully manual these will mostly be used off camera, simply removing the hotshoe instantly cuts down that potential market.

Once these get started though I'm sure we are going to see a lot more to come, and some nice evolution in design too.
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The 360 is a similar body but slightly taller and wider, and considerably fatter (as there are double the capacitors in there) -

http://1-ps.googleusercontent.c​om …espeed.ic.S_qWf​WlI4X.webp

http://2-ps.googleusercontent.c​om …espeed.ic.f4zHY​B1GNJ.webp

You can imagine it would add some weight as well.
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Elv

Where did you see the 360 version ? I want to see the differrence ! is it a different body ? What is the weight ?

I'm sure it's gonna sell like hotcakes !

elv wrote in post #15599765
I don't know if you guys have seen the 360 version, but that is a BIG mama ! So I think think that's the point were a lot of people are really going to be asking why does this flash have a hotshoe foot?

And for that reason I think its pretty inevitable they will end up making solid base option anyway.

Regarding why they have hotshoes, I think the manufactures are still nervous about dedicated off camera speedlight style flashes, because the on-camera flashes still have a much bigger market available. Even though being fully manual these will mostly be used off camera, simply removing the hotshoe instantly cuts down that potential market.

Once these get started though I'm sure we are going to see a lot more to come, and some nice evolution in design too.



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How do you know they are different size ? Can we see a picture of them side by side ?

elv wrote in post #15599801
The 360 is a similar body but slightly taller and wider, and considerably fatter (as there are double the capacitors in there) -

http://1-ps.googleusercontent.c​om …espeed.ic.S_qWf​WlI4X.webp

http://2-ps.googleusercontent.c​om …espeed.ic.f4zHY​B1GNJ.webp

You can imagine it would add some weight as well.
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turcoyan wrote in post #15599838
How do you know they are different size ? Can we see a picture of them side by side ?

No sorry I can't find pictures of them side by side, but just look at the flash head (which I assume is the same), the 360 body is wider, and goes out as far as the face of the flash head.

The Cl-180 is 550grams (without reflector or bulb) so you would expect the 360 to be at least 800grams.

Its still pretty compact, but realistically a bit too much to be putting on top of a camera hotshoe.
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elv wrote in post #15599894
No sorry I can't find pictures of them side by side, but just look at the flash head (which I assume is the same), the 360 body is wider, and goes out as far as the face of the flash head.

The Cl-180 is 550grams (without reflector or bulb) so you would expect the 360 to be at least 800grams.

Its still pretty compact, but realistically a bit too much to be putting on top of a camera hotshoe.
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I've you seen it with your own eyes ? cause with this picture it is hard to tell if there is a differrence, Wide angle shot ? the guy have maybe small hand ? I don't know but it looks to me the same size as my quantum 5TDR.

Someone who have seen both can confirm please, thank you

Elv thanks
And thanks for flashhavoc !
One of my every few day stops to see light stuff along with lighting rumors

Also was curious about the weight

Links did not work on my IPad ?
Found this though with pics of the 360 which were your links but might work for iPad folks
http://www.lightingrum​ours.com …uns-hands-on-preview-3185


Hmmmmmm now curious the 360 sounds like might be thinner fron to back a touch but a bit wider ?
Now with the new ezyboxII mounts wonder if I could shove two of those in their on the times I need more than 500 watts

I don't have a CL-360 yet so I'm not able to post any images showing comparative size between it and the CL-180. However, Edward did send me a short (25 second) video that has both CL models in it. The purpose of the video was to demonstrate how a single Lithium 4500 battery pack could power four flash units simultaneously and provide very good recycling time while doing it. The four flashes were all set to full power.

To connect four units to a battery that has only two ports, Edward used two "one-to-two" cables. The flash units from left to right are a Canon 580EX II, CL-180, CL-180, and CL-360. Since questions have come up regarding the size of the 360, I asked ET if it would be alright to share the video here on POTN. He said that would be fine:

http://www.youtube.com​/watch?v=Glld-y2YZms

Of course, better images of the CL-360 will be forthcoming shortly.

So do both the left and right IR beams fire to help attain focus in low light conditions?

If they do a review, i'd highly recommend them posting the IR beam patterns

Thanks Chad, and thanks Dave, that is cool.

What they need is some cords with a nice small splitter on the far end so that you can run dual flashes from one port, but its only one cord most of the way to the flashes (so its much less bulk in cords). That is seriously nice though if you can run up to 4 speedlights of that pack!

I zoomed that image in and the CL-180 and 360 all look to be on 1/1 power too.

You can see the 360 is a pretty big beast though.
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Elv

You're right the 360 is bigger !

Edward just contacted me saying there will be no 1/4" mounting base on the 360 (if it goes ahead). So there I've been told hehe

Hes saying the CL-180 only weighs about the same as an SB-910 with batteries inside and the foot is made stronger than the SB-910. The 360 version will be made stronger again and backed up with Cheetah service and warranty.

The 360 still needs to pass their testing yet though, if they are not confident enough it won't be sold under the Cheetah brand.


I would like to see 1/4" mounting points all over speedlights and similar flashes though, so it would be pretty hard to dissuade me from that.
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tetrode wrote in post #15600059
I don't have a CL-360 yet so I'm not able to post any images showing comparative size between it and the CL-180. However, Edward did send me a short (25 second) video that has both CL models in it. The purpose of the video was to demonstrate how a single Lithium 4500 battery pack could power four flash units simultaneously and provide very good recycling time while doing it. The four flashes were all set to full power.

To connect four units to a battery that has only two ports, Edward used two "one-to-two" cables. The flash units from left to right are a Canon 580EX II, CL-180, CL-180, and CL-360. Since questions have come up regarding the size of the 360, I asked ET if it would be alright to share the video here on POTN. He said that would be fine:

http://www.youtube.com​/watch?v=Glld-y2YZms

Of course, better images of the CL-360 will be forthcoming shortly.

Its bigger but not that much bigger. Especially considering the power.

Main thing for me is will it use the same diameter flash tube so the modifiers can be used on either unit.