A New Bare Bulb Flash Arrives

mchong75 wrote in post #16856234
The CL-360

Well, how often do you require/use the Einstein at full power? IIRC, the Einstein is 640 w/s while a CL-360 is 360 w/s.

mchong75 wrote in post #16855412
Is this worth trading from Einsteins?

I'm just tired of lugging around big strobes.

That would all depend on what modifiers you like to use and what time of the day your shooting.

mchong75 wrote in post #16855412
Is this worth trading from Einsteins?

I'm just tired of lugging around big strobes.

I know what you mean. I am selling both of my Einsteins in favor of one more 360, a couple of the Nikon 860 when released and the new 600.

My CL-360 shipped

Looks like the power goes down to 19w on the CL-600. Is this generally low enough for indoor studio shooting? Saying in a 15x20 space? I was thinking about getting Einsteins for indoors, but already have the AD-360, and a few v850s. If I could add the CL-600s instead and use the same triggering system that would be ideal.

The trigger system is nice that it works on all the units and can control each unit independently. What makes the 600 attractive is that it comes with a metal storage case, a nylon carrying bag, trigger/receiver, a aluminum metal alloy head, and separate cable. All in one self contained system.

Since the head is aluminum metal alloy its non magnetic. This keeps anything metal from sticking to it and causing shorts. If you ever laid a metal screw driver down in the SOCAL sand/dirt, you will find little pieces of magnetic participial on it. This is not good for a flash head which could cause a short or damage the head.

Just making sure people know some info about the kinda metal the head is made of before they get the unit and mistaking it for plastic.

adammazza wrote in post #16857829
Looks like the power goes down to 19w on the CL-600. Is this generally low enough for indoor studio shooting? Saying in a 15x20 space? I was thinking about getting Einsteins for indoors, but already have the AD-360, and a few v850s. If I could add the CL-600s instead and use the same triggering system that would be ideal.

19W doesn't say anything.

19W of continuous light from LED modeling light? Compared to lots of more watts from very inefficient (but warm and cozy) incandescent lamps? You need Lumen, Candela, Lux or similar to discuss modeling lamps.

Or 19W required when recharging a battery pack? Doesn't tell how large the batteries are. Or what voltage the battery charger needs to supply.

Or 19 Wh of battery power?

Or tiny 19Ws of flash power?

So in the end: 19W alone isn't enough of a figure to discuss anything about either a battery system or a flash.

19Ws of flash power is comparison to Einsteins 5.

pwm2 wrote in post #16858315
19W doesn't say anything.

19W of continuous light from LED modeling light? Compared to lots of more watts from very inefficient (but warm and cozy) incandescent lamps? You need Lumen, Candela, Lux or similar to discuss modeling lamps.

Or 19W required when recharging a battery pack? Doesn't tell how large the batteries are. Or what voltage the battery charger needs to supply.

Or 19 Wh of battery power?

Or tiny 19Ws of flash power?

So in the end: 19W alone isn't enough of a figure to discuss anything about either a battery system or a flash.

19Ws is puny compared to the 150-300Ws normally discussed in this thread.

pwm2 wrote in post #16858644
19Ws is puny compared to the 150-300Ws normally discussed in this thread.

Not sure your point in regard to my original question which was "Can the power be lowered enough for a small indoor studio?"

I ask because I think I've seen it referenced here that people have had issues getting an Alien Bee 1600 (20Ws) low enough for certain indoor studio situations.

It goes down to 1/32 and fires just fine

abbadon31 wrote in post #16859436
It goes down to 1/32 and fires just fine

That's about 20Ws. Inside a modifier that should be fine for smallish studio spaces.
The 600 offers a 5 EV range, Einstein offers 8. The real question is do you need that much range in one light.

adammazza wrote in post #16859275
Not sure your point in regard to my original question which was "Can the power be lowered enough for a small indoor studio?"

I ask because I think I've seen it referenced here that people have had issues getting an Alien Bee 1600 (20Ws) low enough for certain indoor studio situations.

It's a question of what other lights you will combine it with. It is definitely low enough as main light source. But if you intend your main light source(s) to be in this range then you might want something even weaker. Our eyes can't see the absolute light level of a photo - only the relations.

How can I use my 360 along with a 600ex on cam for fill?
Thanks

bayvillian516 wrote in post #16860239
How can I use my 360 along with a 600ex on cam for fill?
Thanks

Thats alot of weight to be carrying around on a camera, but you will need some kind of bracketing system.