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Feb 28, 2013 16:12 |  #556

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I wished I had money right now to order one but one thing I can't imagine is why AB/VML setup is so hard for location shoot? I don't do weddings but if you going to put light stand, battery/flash/modifier little weight difference to me sounds negligible. I would compare this to AB400 which is quite light strobes. A good friend of mine who is really big photog here in San Francisco uses proto strobes/BD for lot of his shoots.

With strobes I can use any modifier with sturdier setup IMHO. I could be wrong.

If you are setting up in one location, and staying there, it's not a big deal. But when you go to a park, lets say, and move to 5-6 different locations in the park, the added weight and bulk is a burden. I don't know for sure, but I would guess the E640/VML has to be at least twice the weight of the CL-180 and Battery pack. Of course we aren't talking about huge numbers here, but every pound counts...especially when It's my girlfriend carrying the lighting equipment.


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Feb 28, 2013 16:18 |  #557

^ I did that twice for engagement session. Lugged around the E640/VML with a beauty dish. It's a bit to much.


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Feb 28, 2013 16:23 |  #558

Seems i would take the CL180's over my three 600EXRT's also, if someone could report how low level focus assist light is working. I need double duty, OCF and OnCF.




  
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Feb 28, 2013 17:12 |  #559

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The Einstein + VML + Cyber commander is a nice package. But you will pay nearly a grand for each one. The CL-180 includes everything you need for $400 less.

At approx 1/4 the power you may add.


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Feb 28, 2013 17:14 |  #560

silvrbullet wrote in post #15662306 (external link)
If you are setting up in one location, and staying there, it's not a big deal. But when you go to a park, lets say, and move to 5-6 different locations in the park, the added weight and bulk is a burden. I don't know for sure, but I would guess the E640/VML has to be at least twice the weight of the CL-180 and Battery pack. Of course we aren't talking about huge numbers here, but every pound counts...especially when It's my girlfriend carrying the lighting equipment.

Again comparing Einstein which is 4 times more powerful. I would get a nice roller bag to make it easy on the GF.:)

Say you shooting at outdoors during day. CL-180 is not going to cut IMHO. That is why I was so interested in looking at the HyperSync tests but it seems it looses power just like regular flash. Of course it has two times the power of typical flash with nice bare buld but for outdoors I think I would need atleast 4 times power more than CL-180.

BTW - I am not dissing the product. It is great that all these new things are coming out to give us more choices.


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Feb 28, 2013 18:32 |  #561

symbolphoto wrote in post #15662341 (external link)
Seems i would take the CL180's over my three 600EXRT's also, if someone could report how low level focus assist light is working. I need double duty, OCF and OnCF.

I tested it for you. If I turn all the lights off in my studio room, and turn on the focus assist lamp, I can lock focus easily using the center focus point on something with adequate contrast @ 15 feet. Much more powerful than my 580exII!


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Feb 28, 2013 18:34 |  #562

bobbyz wrote in post #15662503 (external link)
Again comparing Einstein which is 4 times more powerful. I would get a nice roller bag to make it easy on the GF.:)

Say you shooting at outdoors during day. CL-180 is not going to cut IMHO. That is why I was so interested in looking at the HyperSync tests but it seems it looses power just like regular flash. Of course it has two times the power of typical flash with nice bare buld but for outdoors I think I would need atleast 4 times power more than CL-180.

BTW - I am not dissing the product. It is great that all these new things are coming out to give us more choices.

I see what you are saying. It's not perfect for every situation, but I tend to add fill instead of over power the sun.


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Feb 28, 2013 19:31 |  #563

Here is my testing with highspeed sync. Real world examples to be shot over the weekend.

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Feb 28, 2013 19:44 |  #564

sorry I think this was posted before but I can't seem to find it

how much power does this unit have in comparison to a Einstein and a 600ex-rt?
what's the best way to compare X or ws?
I believe the Einstein is 640ws


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Feb 28, 2013 21:10 |  #565

FYI, the Link Delight price for the AD-180 has just jumped from $183 to $476 (http://www.linkdelight​.com …lb-Flash-180W/S-GN60.html (external link)). The text in the blog entry hasn't been corrected but the actual product listing now has a more realistic price.




  
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Mar 01, 2013 03:15 as a reply to  @ tetrode's post |  #566

Ok mine arrived (well before I expected) and I have to say I'm very impressed.

This is a solid little unit, and the build quality is really much nicer than I expected.

What I really like though is everything is just straight up dead simple and really easy to use, no digging through menus or any hassle like that you come to expect with speedlights. The screen is super clear and bright (you don't see that in the images).

And the sound beep with remote power control is just solid clear and simple. Inside an Apollo softbox power setting is dead easy.

The unit mounted is not much different to the speedlight/trigger combination in size (just a quick snapshot) -

IMAGE: http://flashhavoc.com/images/CL_180_a.jpg


The battery pack is is much smaller than what I expected from the images, the complete pack is about the weight of a speedlight, but the lithium battery itself weighs very little.

This is not a massively powerful unit, if you're thinking Einstein as a comparison they are not even in the same ball park. Its hard to compared to speedlights as the light is really so much different, but I'm getting around a stop more light than a 580ex etc in general, direct with 28mm refelctor/zoom, bounced, and in an Apollo softbox. Which is pretty much exactly what I was expecting, the even light spread from bare bulb plus a stop of light. The recent Dison Genius or Jinbei units only just match a speedlight in comparison.

Where the CL-180 is actually really coming out ahead is in HSS, 1 to 2.5 stops ahead of the Canon flash. Thats a number of (expensive) HSS enabled speedlights it would take to match this one unit. (We can add the 40D to the list of Cells II HSS compatible cameras).

In general I'm really happy with it so far, I shot lots of test shots in a few hours, many at close to full power, and I never thought once about over heating or changing batteries. Haven't touched a single AA battery or recharger since starting, and I won't even charge the pack tonight.

This thing just keeps trucking on, its not cheap, but compared to a Canon flash for a similar price it offers all the better parts, like remote manual and HSS, no slow down, and no AA's :-) This is not a monolight replacement, but for many people it going to be a much better alternative to similarly priced a Canon or Nikon Speedlights etc.
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Mar 01, 2013 06:48 |  #567

elv wrote in post #15663921 (external link)
but I'm getting around a stop more light than a 580ex etc in general, direct with 28mm refelctor/zoom, bounced, and in an Apollo softbox.

That's the impression I got early on. For me that would be F8, ISO100 into a 60" white satin umbrella from 60" away.

Nice.
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Mar 01, 2013 07:01 |  #568

My three units are suppose to arrive today. I'll be using them at a wedding tomorrow.


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Mar 01, 2013 07:40 |  #569

Holy Moly! That's confidence in equipment.


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Mar 01, 2013 07:43 |  #570

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Holy Moly! That's confidence in equipment.

I'll also have my usual assortment of lights "just in case". ;)


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