A New Bare Bulb Flash Arrives

Left Handed Brisket wrote in post #17787676
you are over thinking it, the 360 works as good or better than any other light as far as distribution in the softbox.

do you have the 2nd 622 plugged to the 360 via sync cord?

Yes. Two different PC sync cords on 622 A to 360 and 622 B atop 5d3. I double checked the HSS capability with my 580exii(no cables of course) and it worked. Thought it was the sync cable but tried both a male to male PC sync cable and a 3.5mm to PC sync cable since the 360 has both ports but no joy on HSS. Trying to reset the 622s after dinner but have to head out soon.

blindshooter wrote in post #17787635
.. Does the pic sync cord use require a different mode?

No not for the cord, but to get HS Sync you need to set the 360 HS Sync mode. Power on unit, and press the "Mode" and "Set" button together. You will know you got it when the LCD displays 1/8 and something that looks like a broken number 4 (lightning bolt) and "H" for Highspeed.

Another question for those using the 360's

With a pair of them, how wide can I shoot? I mean, if I was doing a huge group shot, 30-50 people, will these be able to light that big an area?

Going to depend on your modifier, but yes. The standard 5" reflector packs a punch. Softboxes with that many people aren't really helpful so something smallish that throws all the light forward will probably be just fine. Have you seen the Cheetah Colt 45?

blindshooter wrote in post #17787746
Yes. Two different PC sync cords on 622 A to 360 and 622 B atop 5d3. I double checked the HSS capability with my 580exii(no cables of course) and it worked. Thought it was the sync cable but tried both a male to male PC sync cable and a 3.5mm to PC sync cable since the 360 has both ports but no joy on HSS. Trying to reset the 622s after dinner but have to head out soon.

I'd like to know how you made out.

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #17787818
No not for the cord, but to get HS Sync you need to set the 360 HS Sync mode. Power on unit, and press the "Mode" and "Set" button together. You will know you got it when the LCD displays 1/8 and something that looks like a broken number 4 (lightning bolt) and "H" for Highspeed.

Now I feel stupid. Man, I never saw the small graphic under those buttons until now. I actually had started to read the manual, too. Funny how the manufacturer thought HSS would be such a rare thing to need combo button toggle! Thanks! Higher shutter speeds unlocked!

blindshooter wrote in post #17787962
Now I feel stupid. Man, I never saw the small graphic under those buttons until now. I actually had started to read the manual, too. Funny how the manufacturer thought HSS would be such a rare thing to need combo button toggle! Thanks! Higher shutter speeds unlocked!

So now you can have complete power control via remote over the flash?

ptcanon3ti wrote in post #17787915
I'd like to know how you made out.

Yea, combo button toggle of Mode and Set buttons did the trick. Now I think of it, think I read that mentioned somewhere by Edward in the huge thread.

ptcanon3ti wrote in post #17787967
So now you can have complete power control via remote over the flash?

Yep, probably won't even use the included transmitter and usb but it works.

Left Handed Brisket wrote in post #17787878
Going to depend on your modifier, but yes. The standard 5" reflector packs a punch. Softboxes with that many people aren't really helpful so something smallish that throws all the light forward will probably be just fine. Have you seen the Cheetah Colt 45?

Thanks, I'm just slowly getting up to speed on all the options. Understand umbrellas, reflective and shoot through, and soft boxes, but the reflectors and "grids" is all new to me.

I will do some tests with stock reflector and brollies,. and I've got my eye on the 7" reflector with grid set for more control.

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #17787998
Thanks, I'm just slowly getting up to speed on all the options. Understand umbrellas, reflective and shoot through, and soft boxes, but the reflectors and "grids" is all new to me.

I will do some tests with stock reflector and brollies,. and I've got my eye on the 7" reflector with grid set for more control.

The 5 inch reflectors can take grids, not sure if other places carry them, but Ed at Cheetah Stand has them. I've never done a group shot with grids on a high efficiency reflector. I suspect that it will give you too hard of an edge. Plus grids will knock some power off you light. Grids on something like that vs a softbox with grids are totally different ... The softbox will still have a softer edge. Reflector grids are like a spotlight, softbox grids help control spill but are not really like a focused beam of light.

You might be able to get enough light from two silver reflecting umbrellas depending on your set up and mix of ambient and flash.

blindshooter wrote in post #17787962
Funny how the manufacturer thought HSS would be such a rare thing to need combo button toggle!

Since this flash doesn't have the extra ETTL contacts on the hotshoe the signal to switch to HSS can't be sent there. Also the sync ports are not smart enough to know what is going on either. So it's not really a MFG "choice" it's just a technical limitation of a manual strobe.

Left Handed Brisket wrote in post #17788200
Since this flash doesn't have the extra ETTL contacts on the hotshoe the signal to switch to HSS can't be sent there. Also the sync ports are not smart enough to know what is going on either. So it's not really a MFG "choice" it's just a technical limitation of a manual strobe.

Ah, thanks for explaining that - hadn't thought why the units have to be set manually. It really is a pain if you have the unit high up on a stand as you either need a ladder or bring it all down, set to HSS and then try and get it in exactly the position it was in before.

AnnieMacD wrote in post #17788279
Ah, thanks for explaining that - hadn't thought why the units have to be set manually. It really is a pain if you have the unit high up on a stand as you either need a ladder or bring it all down, set to HSS and then try and get it in exactly the position it was in before.

no problem.

depending on what your needs are you can always just run the power up to 1/1 in normal sync mode ... the flash duration will be long enough to cover the full frame.

I will say that while the connections mentioned above are too dumb to switch the camera to HSS, My guess is that the USB based FT-16 Tx and receiver should be smart enough to enable HSS. In this case though they apparently did choose not to add another button to the FT-16 and adjust the firmware to allow for the switch. Seeing that they are constantly pushing the 1/1 long duration HyperSync method, it might be that they wanted to discourage use of true HSS for performance issues.

Left Handed Brisket wrote in post #17788343
no problem.

depending on what your needs are you can always just run the power up to 1/1 in normal sync mode ... the flash duration will be long enough to cover the full frame.

I will say that while the connections mentioned above are too dumb to switch the camera to HSS, My guess is that the USB based FT-16 Tx and receiver should be smart enough to enable HSS. In this case though they apparently did choose not to add another button to the FT-16 and adjust the firmware to allow for the switch. Seeing that they are constantly pushing the 1/1 long duration HyperSync method, it might be that they wanted to discourage use of true HSS for performance issues.

LHB, I am so grateful to you for triggering (pun intended) my memory re the 1/1 not requiring the HSS to be set on the unit. I just KNEW I had used HSS in the past without setting HSS and couldn't think how I had done it. Thanks so much - it's a bit limiting but a great option to have available.

AnnieMacD wrote in post #17788356
LHB, I am so grateful to you for triggering (pun intended) my memory re the 1/1 not requiring the HSS to be set on the unit. I just KNEW I had used HSS in the past without setting HSS and couldn't think how I had done it. Thanks so much - it's a bit limiting but a great option to have available.

I've done the same thing at least a few different times and was left scratching my head as to what was going on. It finally sank in.