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Jan 16, 2017 03:58 |  #6631

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When all you people get the lighting manufacturers / sellers to publish uniformly consistent and truthful specs - do you think you could tackle something really meaningful? Like getting the sellers of the world to use the term "shipping included" rather than "free shipping" 'cuz who believes shipping is free?

Shipping is never free but you have to look who is paying for the shipping. From China it is not the buyer nor the seller in my experience.




  
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Jan 16, 2017 08:24 |  #6632

TNSTAAFL


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Jan 16, 2017 14:15 as a reply to  @ windpig's post |  #6633

Maybe you do some research how it works.




  
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Jan 16, 2017 18:07 |  #6634

Great price on the manual 360! $320

https://www.adorama.co​m/fplfsl360k1.html?Ema​ilPrice=T (external link)


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Jan 17, 2017 15:16 as a reply to  @ ptcanon3ti's post |  #6635

I almost wish they'd stop offering great prices on the 360 - I own 4 now, because every time they drop the price I have to get another one. :lol:


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Jan 18, 2017 04:09 |  #6636

GregDunn wrote in post #18247481 (external link)
I almost wish they'd stop offering great prices on the 360 - I own 4 now, because every time they drop the price I have to get another one. :lol:

Get a grip on yourself....




  
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Jan 18, 2017 10:37 |  #6637

GregDunn wrote in post #18247481 (external link)
I almost wish they'd stop offering great prices on the 360 - I own 4 now, because every time they drop the price I have to get another one. :lol:

I know! It's almost too good to pass up. Still going on. ;)


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Jan 18, 2017 10:44 |  #6638

I've been very good:
I did not buy an AD600 TWICE when adorama had the ETTL flashpoint on sale,..
I have not bought the QT600 studio strobe which is now only about $400.00 for the flashpoint,..
and I have not bought any more AD360 since I got a 2nd pair of them used for $200.00 each ;)

I have also been very bad:
I now have Xt1, Xt32, AND FT16 in 2.4GHz, as well as 3 CellsII and the bundled f-16 gear in 433mhz, a Godox octabox, S mounts, and a new beauty dish, and lastly with a "watch" on a colt 45 clone.

So where I am being good about lights, I can't seem to stop with the accessories ;)


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Jan 18, 2017 11:02 |  #6639

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #18248281 (external link)
I've been very good:
I did not buy an AD600 TWICE when adorama had the ETTL flashpoint on sale,..
I have not bought the QT600 studio strobe which is now only about $400.00 for the flashpoint,..
and I have not bought any more AD360 since I got a 2nd pair of them used for $200.00 each ;)

I have also been very bad:
I now have Xt1, Xt32, AND FT16 in 2.4GHz, as well as 3 CellsII and the bundled f-16 gear in 433mhz, a Godox octabox, S mounts, and a new beauty dish, and lastly with a "watch" on a colt 45 clone.

So where I am being good about lights, I can't seem to stop with the accessories ;)


That QT 600 is quite a deal too for use indoors. *sigh


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Jan 19, 2017 09:28 |  #6640

I hear ya about accessories, Jake... :oops: I am seriously considering a change from Yongnuo to Godox-based systems for my location shoots (keeping the YN ETTL strobes for events where they make sense) because my experience with the 360 has been so extraordinary.

I picked up a set of 433 MHz and 2.4 GHz transmitters (FT-16, XT-16, and X1T) plus the FTR-16s and XTR-16 receivers, AND a pair of V850ii strobes. This way I can shoot everything in my kit with either 433 MHz or 2.4 GHz triggers and not have to carry a separate set of powered receivers (more batteries...). So far the 433 MHz system has been amazing, but I foresee situations where I will need the extra range or "penetration" of the 2.4 GHz system and I won't need to swap out my whole system to do that.

It's too seductive, really; all I need to do is swap the 360 receivers and one transmitter, because the V850ii already has the 2.4 GHz receiver built in; I don't even have to move the lights. I could make it even easier by getting the new 360 with built-in receivers, but since I have no need for their ETTL capability, that's just a bit too far for me. :lol:

Incidentally, I did a quick test of the 433 MHz and 2.4 GHz systems on the same lights last night, because I really wanted to know more about their comparative range. In an open area, I was able to get about 120 feet with the FTR-16 triggers and FT-16 transmitter; the XTR-16 and XT-16 were still going at 150 feet when I ran out of range. If only they didn't have so many misfires (I've discussed this earlier, but it's consistent) I'd be happy to go with the 2.4 GHz system at my events...


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Jan 19, 2017 09:41 |  #6641

I'm pretty much all 2.4 here. I've got 433 for two reasons, my Streaklights came bundled with them, and I invested in some CellsII because they are the best for triggering cameras remotely.

Other than that it was a short while before I dumped all my previous Yongnuo and switched to 2.4. Since I picked up a number of the V860II this juts made the most sense.

I started with the X1-T, then picked up two X1-R to sue with my remaining Canon 580exII. I love the ability to use ETTL with the speedlights via X1-T, but I wanted the XT32 for it's ease of use. when i shoot with the AD360's all but one of mine are manual, so the XT-32 is the go to there.

Anyway, I thought I was "done" but I have my eye on a QT600 for future use,. and the new AD200, one of those maybe to try out... they just keep hooking me in.


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Jan 19, 2017 18:31 as a reply to  @ CyberDyneSystems's post |  #6642

Yeah, if the XT32 had been available I might have bought it instead of the X1T at the time. It really suits my manual controller needs a little better than the FT-16 / XT-16.

But I shot a quartet of events this past month with my 433 MHz system and in about 1500 pops I think I had one misfire on one strobe. The 2.4 GHz system, while good, still gave me a handful of misfires per 100 pops the last time I used it (especially noticeable when a couple of them were great moments with no lighting). I'm working from the assumption that it's down to more interference in the 2.4 GHz band, though I've never been able to prove it. I think the XT-16 was a little better than the X1T, but since I didn't write down which 2.4 GHz transmitter I was using, I can't prove it. :oops: Incidentally, every event was with clear line-of-sight to the receivers; no shadowing or obstructions.

Much as I like the Yongnuo system for its compatibility, the fact that it doesn't degrade gracefully when the trigger battery voltage drops - and the considerable extra clutter of their shoe-mount triggers - pushed me over the edge. They were not the most reliable triggers in manual mode, either; I have 4 set up for my regular practice events and I can flip through an album and spot misfires all over the place. The more recent firmware revisions seemed a little better, but not a lot. And the frustration of not having a battery indicator meant that I was never sure whether I was having a low voltage issue until I dismounted the strobe (which was probably clamped 10 feet high on a support beam) and tested them or swapped them. Their "low voltage" LED indication never worked until the batteries were already exhausted; and sometimes before the batteries died, the receiver would blink when I triggered it but still not fire the strobe. I will not blame the strobes for that, because when I put them directly on the hotshoe I probably have tens of thousands of shots without so much as a twitch.

It's not a huge difference in reliability, but after a while I got tired of it. With the Godox system, I just turn it on and start shooting; it helps me concentrate on the important thing, which is the event. And having battery indicators even on their cheapie FT-16 is just another encouraging feature. I have a number of gigs this spring where I'm the primary shooter and just really want to maximize my success rate. ;-)a


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Jan 21, 2017 21:42 |  #6643

I just got a pair of the older 360s. Figured the 2.4g was the way to go, so ordered two XTR16s, and an X-1T. Interesting that people are talking about using the XT32s instead. Why is that? I am coming from using the Yongnuo YN-560 TX. I can't imagine only seeing the data for one flash group at a time the way the XT32 is. What's the advantage of that one?




  
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Jan 21, 2017 23:07 |  #6644

jake14mw wrote in post #18251893 (external link)
I just got a pair of the older 360s. Figured the 2.4g was the way to go, so ordered two XTR16s, and an X-1T. Interesting that people are talking about using the XT32s instead. Why is that? I am coming from using the Yongnuo YN-560 TX. I can't imagine only seeing the data for one flash group at a time the way the XT32 is. What's the advantage of that one?

If you don't need TTL, the XT32 has a larger display and is more straightforward.




  
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Jan 22, 2017 16:02 |  #6645

jake14mw wrote in post #18251893 (external link)
I just got a pair of the older 360s. Figured the 2.4g was the way to go, so ordered two XTR16s, and an X-1T. Interesting that people are talking about using the XT32s instead. Why is that? I am coming from using the Yongnuo YN-560 TX. I can't imagine only seeing the data for one flash group at a time the way the XT32 is. What's the advantage of that one?


The one thing that is exclusive to the X1T is ETTL. If your not shooting with ETTL units, it is unnecessary, and adds no real advantages.

The XT32 simply has a larger LCD, and what I consider to be an easier control interface. I also like the FT16 which is identical to the old 433mhx control that came bundled with the manual AD360, but it can not do HSS, the XT32 can.

At first I got the X1-T so I could mix my manual AD360s with ETTL speedlights. Then I got an ETTL AD360II, so it's good to have.

But more often then not, I am really going to be shooting full manual, so why not have the XT32 for ease of use? That's my thinking anyway.


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