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Jan 27, 2013 18:22 |  #1

I have the Canon EF-S 10-22mm and I'm going to purchase the Tiffen Variable Density filter. I only have 2 lenses right now the above and the 100mm macro. So I figured I'd get a 58mm-77mm step up ring so that I could use the filter on my 100mm lens. That got me to thinking. Should I pop the extra cash and get the 82mm VD filter and get a 77mm-82mm step up so that I avoid any possibility of vignetting? Is vignetting a problem with the 77mm VD filter and the 10-22mm lens? I would like to order tonight. Any help would be appreciated.


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Jan 27, 2013 19:40 |  #2

Will a variable density filter work on a UWA at all? I heard you'd get a pronounced dark cross, with much brighter corners, when using them at the widest FL and highest density.


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Jan 27, 2013 19:42 |  #3

Good question. I have no idea. Lol. I've never tried a ND filter or VD filter on my lens.


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Jan 27, 2013 19:45 |  #4

pulsar123 wrote in post #15541340 (external link)
Will a variable density filter work on a UWA at all? I heard you'd get a pronounced dark cross, with much brighter corners, when using them at the widest FL and highest density.

It will work, but at the darker end, you will get the cross effect. So you will only really be able to use it at lower densities at wider angles.


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Jan 27, 2013 19:46 |  #5

So, usable up to like 6 or 7 stops?


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Jan 27, 2013 19:53 |  #6

Don't do it if you want anything usable. When you use them on a UW, or even at 24mm at full density, you get a weird maltese cross like pattern of darker areas vs brighter areas.


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Jan 27, 2013 19:56 |  #7

I really can't recommend a Vari-ND on the 10-22. You'll start to see the cross-hatching pattern and other weirdness as low as around 4 stops. If you're wanting an ND for something that wide, look into either a set of Cokin or Lee, rectangular filters; or, single, screw-on filters in a couple of different densities.

The variable filters are made by combining two layers of polarizing film; which comes with the same problems as a polarizer on an UWA lens.


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Jan 27, 2013 19:59 |  #8

I was worried someone would say that. So are the fixed Tiffen ND filters ok then? I would prefer the screw-on over the Lee, but I'm open to the Lee if I have to. Thanks again for everyone's help.


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Jan 27, 2013 20:14 |  #9

I'd pretty much skip Tiffen as a general rule. Go with B+W, Marumi, Hoya or one of the other, known, good brands; they cost a bit more, but you really do get what you pay for when adding additional glass in front of your lenses.


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Jan 27, 2013 20:43 |  #10

The Lee is way too much for my budget to be honest. I'd need the adapter and the big stopper. So maybe ~$260ish. The B+W (external link) is way cheaper at $125. Will there be vignetting issues with this filter?


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Jan 27, 2013 20:48 |  #11

C.J. Chiasson wrote in post #15541566 (external link)
The Lee is way too much for my budget to be honest. I'd need the adapter and the big stopper. So maybe ~$260ish. The B+W (external link) is way cheaper at $125. Will there be vignetting issues with this filter?

I have the B&W 10 stop ND and it works fine on that lens. One nice thing about the 10-22 is that there is lots of room filter-wise. You can almost stack 2 regular filters on top of each other so 1 regular filter is fine (assuming you are not putting over a UV filter or anything).


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Jan 27, 2013 20:49 |  #12

At least as far as getting your feet wet with it, the B+W ought to be fine. You may see some vignetting issues with ANY high density filter, but only if trying to do *really* long exposures; I start to see it at around 3min or greater with my 10-22 and the Big Stopper. Below that I haven't had any issues.


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Jan 27, 2013 20:50 as a reply to  @ C.J. Chiasson's post |  #13

I agree with Snydremark, don't waste your money on a Tiffen. A Hoya, B&W(though costly) will be worth the extra money. I have a Tiffen 2-stop GND, and the build quality would match up well with a nifty fifty (ie.not good).


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Jan 27, 2013 20:52 |  #14

Awesome news. So is the Hoya ND x400 in the same ball park as the B+W? I have the budget for either, but I could awesome afford to save a couple bucks. I know one is a 10 stop and the other 9, but I can't see that being a deal breaker.


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Jan 27, 2013 20:56 |  #15

C.J. Chiasson wrote in post #15541602 (external link)
Awesome news. So is the Hoya ND x400 in the same ball park as the B+W? I have the budget for either, but I could awesome afford to save a couple bucks. I know one is a 10 stop and the other 9, but I can't see that being a deal breaker.

Yep..i use the ND400, and love it. The main difference between the Hoya and the B+W (other than 1-less stop), is that the Hoya takes a little more elbow-grease to clean ( smears more). I put up with that, for the savings. ;) You could probably pick up the Hoya ND400 and a Hoya ND8...for the same/similar price as the B+W 10-stop.


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