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Jan 30, 2013 02:04 |  #31

Sacadelic wrote in post #15550878 (external link)
Maybe its a problem with the shutter button.... How old is it? Under warranty?

No warrenty. Shutter button is fine. This happens when af is confirmed.


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Jan 30, 2013 08:45 |  #32

mediascheme wrote in post #15551031 (external link)
No warrenty. Shutter button is fine. This happens when af is confirmed.

I understand. As I said, I tried to Google this problem a half dozen different ways and got nothing. You can't be the only person to have had a problem like this so I obviously haven't stumbled on the correct search words. I try again today if you still can't get it resolved.


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Jan 30, 2013 10:14 |  #33
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Using BBAF WILL solve this problem. Set up the camera to use BBAF. Hold the BB down while focusing. When it beeps focus is achieved. THEN press the shutter button. This works (on a properly working camera) whether you are using an AF lens in AF, an AF lens in MF, or a MF lens. The point is to separate the act of focusing, from the act of tripping the shutter. If it doesn't work, there is something wrong with your camera.

I find the above method to be a PITA. Manually focusing, manually, is a lot easier. To heck with the beep. Focus without pressing any buttons. When focused,trip the shutter. Done. This is a lot easier with a 28mm lens at f/16 than it is with a 135mm lens at f/2.8. It brings back pleasant memories of when you HAD to focus all by yourself.


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Jan 30, 2013 10:37 |  #34

TSchrief wrote in post #15551910 (external link)
Using BBAF WILL solve this problem. Set up the camera to use BBAF. Hold the BB down while focusing. When it beeps focus is achieved. THEN press the shutter button. This works (on a properly working camera) whether you are using an AF lens in AF, an AF lens in MF, or a MF lens. The point is to separate the act of focusing, from the act of tripping the shutter. If it doesn't work, there is something wrong with your camera.

I find the above method to be a PITA. Manually focusing, manually, is a lot easier. To heck with the beep. Focus without pressing any buttons. When focused,trip the shutter. Done. This is a lot easier with a 28mm lens at f/16 than it is with a 135mm lens at f/2.8. It brings back pleasant memories of when you HAD to focus all by yourself.

but i dont want to use the bbaf. i like it to be on the shutter. sigh. im bout to take a video and show you exactly what is happening.


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Jan 30, 2013 10:51 |  #35

TSchrief wrote in post #15551910 (external link)
Using BBAF WILL solve this problem. Set up the camera to use BBAF. Hold the BB down while focusing. When it beeps focus is achieved. THEN press the shutter button. This works (on a properly working camera) whether you are using an AF lens in AF, an AF lens in MF, or a MF lens. The point is to separate the act of focusing, from the act of tripping the shutter. If it doesn't work, there is something wrong with your camera.

I find the above method to be a PITA. Manually focusing, manually, is a lot easier. To heck with the beep. Focus without pressing any buttons. When focused,trip the shutter. Done. This is a lot easier with a 28mm lens at f/16 than it is with a 135mm lens at f/2.8. It brings back pleasant memories of when you HAD to focus all by yourself.

The fact that there may be a workaround doesn't resolve the initial problem which shouldn't be occurring in the first place. It's like the old Henny Youngman one liner from the '50s. Man goes to the doctor with a stiff elbow he can't bend and says "Doctor, it hurts when I do that. Doctor says, "Don't do that". Getting around a problem is not the same as fixing a problem.


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Jan 30, 2013 11:04 |  #36
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mwsilver wrote in post #15552068 (external link)
The fact that there may be a workaround doesn't resolve the initial problem which shouldn't be occurring in the first place. It's like the old Henny Youngman one liner from the '50s. Man goes to the doctor with a stiff elbow he can't bend and says "Doctor, it hurts when I do that. Doctor says, "Don't do that". Getting around a problem is not the same as fixing a problem.

True.


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Jan 30, 2013 11:16 |  #37

mwsilver wrote in post #15552068 (external link)
The fact that there may be a workaround doesn't resolve the initial problem which shouldn't be occurring in the first place. It's like the old Henny Youngman one liner from the '50s. Man goes to the doctor with a stiff elbow he can't bend and says "Doctor, it hurts when I do that. Doctor says, "Don't do that". Getting around a problem is not the same as fixing a problem.

TSchrief wrote in post #15552124 (external link)
True.

Hey guys, I agree that it would be a workaround that the OP is not interested in using permanently, but I agree with TSchrief that it might indicate if there is a problem with the camera.

If BBF is enabled, lens set to MF, and with finger OFF the shutter button he presses BBF then focuses manually and the camera still fires the shutter upon focus acquisition, then there is DEFINITELY a fault in the camera, no?

Maybe he should try this, temporarily, just to see what happens?


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Jan 30, 2013 11:25 |  #38

http://www.youtube.com​/watch?v=ERRVTkD0Eqg (external link)


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Jan 30, 2013 11:29 |  #39

I think we understood correctly what' was happening even without the video, but it might be useful for anyone new joining the thread. Still searching for a solution, or at least a similar problem. Curiously, nothing yet.


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Jan 30, 2013 11:33 |  #40

mwsilver wrote in post #15552230 (external link)
I think we understood correctly what' was happening even without the video, but it might be useful for anyone new joining the thread. Still searching for a solution, or at least a similar problem. Curiously, nothing yet.

lol cool.


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Jan 30, 2013 11:38 as a reply to  @ mediascheme's post |  #41

mediascheme, please see my post #37 and just for a minute(I know that you don't want to permanently) try BBF and the scenario described in paragraph #2, just to see if the problem persists.


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Jan 30, 2013 12:16 |  #42

Magic Lantern does have a focus trap feature, have you confirmed that it is off? I know that even with the SD Card out and loading normally it is still doing it, but I wonder if it's setting something in the camera that is somehow persisting.

When in AF the camera behaves 100% normally? You half press, it focuses, confirms, then you full press?


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Jan 30, 2013 18:07 |  #43

Keyan wrote in post #15552416 (external link)
Magic Lantern does have a focus trap feature, have you confirmed that it is off? I know that even with the SD Card out and loading normally it is still doing it, but I wonder if it's setting something in the camera that is somehow persisting.

When in AF the camera behaves 100% normally? You half press, it focuses, confirms, then you full press?


problem solved!!!! trap focus was on. its weird cause i could have sworn that i tried this on a sd with out magic lantern and it was still doing the same thing. Guess i was buggin!!! Keyan you rock!!!!!


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Jan 30, 2013 18:51 |  #44

mediascheme wrote in post #15553799 (external link)
problem solved!!!! trap focus was on. its weird cause i could have sworn that i tried this on a sd with out magic lantern and it was still doing the same thing. Guess i was buggin!!! Keyan you rock!!!!!

I'm glad you figured it out. Saved you a costly Canon service repair, and they probably wouldn't touch if they found signs of Magic Lantern modifications on board.


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Jan 30, 2013 19:10 |  #45

mediascheme wrote in post #15553799 (external link)
problem solved!!!! trap focus was on. its weird cause i could have sworn that i tried this on a sd with out magic lantern and it was still doing the same thing. Guess i was buggin!!! Keyan you rock!!!!!

Glad that you got it sorted:)...Great catch Keyan.


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