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Feb 01, 2013 15:40 |  #16

tkbslc wrote in post #15561141 (external link)
Data says otherwise, at least based on Japanese data from 2012. If you know data for other markets, please link to it:

http://www.sansmirror.​com …eliminary-2012-numbe.html (external link)

In Japan, Canon had almost 29% of the total interchangeable market. Nikon had 25%. But, 1/4 of Nikon's sales came from the Nikon 1 (again in Japan). So that would put them at more like 19% just for DSLR cameras. Canon only had 2% of their sales come from the EOS M, so their DSLR figures would be in the 28% range.

So 28% vs 19% in Japan for DSLR in Japan. Is Canon really losing DSLR crown?

Yes, the EOS M is a flop, even against the small sensor Nikon 1, but just speaking in terms of DSLR sales, I don't know if I can agree with your doomsday predictions. Japan is a big enough market, I think we can use it as a reliable example.

The CanonRumors web site reported the same data (external link), with the additional comment that,

An interesting note about Canon, if you remove the low end of the DSLR market (Rebels, D3xxx/D5xxx), Canon’s marketshare increases.

So, I guess Canon's pro cameras aren't as big a disaster as commentary on POTN would have you believe.


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Feb 01, 2013 16:04 |  #17

tkbslc wrote in post #15561141 (external link)
So 28% vs 19% in Japan for DSLR in Japan. Is Canon really losing DSLR crown?

In 201 they use to be 44%

http://www.1001noisyca​meras.com …r-market-share-yir-6.html (external link)

Unfortunately we don't seem to be able to get consistent apples to apples, year to year comparisons, or at least I have not yet found them.

More tea leaf reading.
http://www.43rumors.co​m …catch-up-with-nikoncanon/ (external link)
This one factors out mirrorless cameras
http://francoismalan.c​om …slr_satisfactio​n_ranking/ (external link)

I think that the bottom line is that Canon cannot rest on their past successes and needs to wake up with current trends and once again regain a technological lead.


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Feb 01, 2013 17:07 |  #18
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^^^ Exactly.
Someone needs to explain to tkb that his first statement is in gross error.
3X = 300 %
28% over 19% is a lot less even with this creative accounting.


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Feb 01, 2013 17:51 |  #19

Explain to me what?
3x is their profits as a company
28% over 19% is just their sales in Japan for only DSLR cameras.

I agree Canon could and should be doing better, I just don't buy the line that Canon is slipping into irrelevance or that things are that dire.


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Feb 01, 2013 18:04 |  #20

Not surprised by the M, much ado about nothing.

Even though the 5D Mark III has its problems, it's still a phenomenal camera. Canon is still doing very well and still seems to be ahead of their competitors in terms of their sales but they'll need some good continued technological innovation if they want to maintain any kind of lead down the road.


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Feb 01, 2013 18:57 |  #21

This is the first EOS M thread I've seen here in a while. And it's not even a positive one. This says a lot!!
I kind of forgot the M even existed.




  
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Feb 01, 2013 19:26 as a reply to  @ post 15561141 |  #22

"No room for large sensor compacts"
So there will be no Leica M9 or Sony RX1 equivalent from Canon?
Very disappointed; but in another hand I can save up some money.


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Feb 01, 2013 20:10 |  #23

I think that they have "too" many cameras and this could be in part why sales are lacking. When I first got into photography they had the Rebel (one, not two), the xxD, 5D, and 1D and 1Ds. Each camera had a specific purpose and place in the product line.

Today I cant even keep up with it, two rebels, xxD, 7d, 5d, 6d, and I dont even know how many 1D variations there are not (I dont keep up with it as much as I used to)

Too many choices, and too many similarities in the product line up, so of course sells may slump.


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Feb 01, 2013 21:24 |  #24

JoeyBowman wrote in post #15562149 (external link)
I think that they have "too" many cameras and this could be in part why sales are lacking. When I first got into photography they had the Rebel (one, not two), the xxD, 5D, and 1D and 1Ds. Each camera had a specific purpose and place in the product line.

Today I cant even keep up with it, two rebels, xxD, 7d, 5d, 6d, and I dont even know how many 1D variations there are not (I dont keep up with it as much as I used to)

Too many choices, and too many similarities in the product line up, so of course sells may slump.

uhhhh.....no.


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Feb 02, 2013 03:53 |  #25

In your enthusiasm for the sky-is-falling narrative, you and El Pic have continually been getting your data crisscrossed. To help clear up this more recent misinterpretation know that Japan numbers do not equal global numbers. (Besides, if memory serves, Nikon performs better in Japan than they do globally, so those less than stellar Nikon numbers (as compared to Canon) are closer to best case scenario than they are to global reality. Similarly it wouldn't be smart to gauge Sony's market presence based on European numbers alone. )


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Feb 02, 2013 04:46 |  #26

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"No room for large sensor compacts"
So there will be no Leica M9 or Sony RX1 equivalent from Canon?
Very disappointed; but in another hand I can save up some money.

That means my money will go to Sony or Fuji.

Both companies are working on full frame mirrorless cameras. Sony already have the RX1, but their next camera will be with interchangable mount.




  
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Feb 02, 2013 05:15 |  #27

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Could not have put it better. Except to add "Too Similar".


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Feb 02, 2013 06:06 |  #28

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Sony already have the RX1, but their next camera will be with interchangable mount.

Yes, I'm ready anytime with interchange FF anything except Leica M9 :)


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Feb 02, 2013 12:01 |  #29
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when you look at EOS M, and then look at Olympus OMD.... no wonder EOS M sells poorly.

I was waiting for long time for Canon mirrorless camera, and what do i get? larger slow powershot.


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Feb 02, 2013 12:54 |  #30

yeah the af is pretty crappy, but I still bought one for travel uses ;)


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