7D and 60D on used market

If you haven't read the comments by Masaya Maeda - Managing Director and Chief Executive, Image Communication Products Operations at Canon check them out at DPR: LINK.

Interesting that he talks of "semi-pro" category being FF in the future, and commits very broadly that "someday" there will be a 70D. Sure seems like the 7D may be the last of it's kind, and that the 60D may not be replaced in the near future as many are expecting.

I'm wondering how this information might impact the used market, which has been dropping out on the 60D and 7D as of late. It might make a lot of sense to hang on to a low mileage 7D if you appreciate a high value sport-shooting camera.

I suspect the 70d will be the 7d mk II.

The T4i is essentially the 60d.

botw wrote in post #15560955
The T4i is essentially the 60d.

Except that is doesnt do 1/3 stops of ISO , no aperture wheel or top display.

Those are the reasons why I bought the 60D instead of the T4i. After coming from a 40D, there was no way I want to shoot without the aperture wheel

If you follow the market on the pro side values of the 1D4 continue to fall despite it being the last of the 1.3x and a favorite of wildlife shooters.

Crop bodies are like belly buttons--everybody has one.

The 1D3 at about the same price as a 7D--that's the bargain in the sports camera market!

Prices will continue to fall IMHO

dave kadolph wrote in post #15563330
Crop bodies are like belly buttons--everybody has one.

Prices will continue to fall IMHO

most electronic devices continue to fall in price, almost everything depreciates except maybe land and gold and ...

dave kadolph wrote in post #15563330
If you follow the market on the pro side values of the 1D4 continue to fall despite it being the last of the 1.3x and a favorite of wildlife shooters.

Crop bodies are like belly buttons--everybody has one.

The 1D3 at about the same price as a 7D--that's the bargain in the sports camera market!

Prices will continue to fall IMHO

Is it the bargain? I know of people who switched to Nikon because of that camera and it's focus issues. I'd personally much rather have a pair of gripped 7D cameras than a pair of 1D3. At least I know I'll grab focus almost every time and not play a guessing game.

Market will stay as it is. These are just quotes and hold no bearings on what will actually happen. I do not foresee Canon killing off lines and upping everyone to Full Frame and some supposed tiny 'new sensor' for more reach and low light. I could of course be wrong but Canon slings cameras out the doors and while he might think otherwise the books will decide what happens.

dinanm3atl wrote in post #15567896
Is it the bargain? I know of people who switched to Nikon because of that camera and it's focus issues. I'd personally much rather have a pair of gripped 7D cameras than a pair of 1D3. At least I know I'll grab focus almost every time and not play a guessing game.

Market will stay as it is. These are just quotes and hold no bearings on what will actually happen. I do not foresee Canon killing off lines and upping everyone to Full Frame and some supposed tiny 'new sensor' for more reach and low light. I could of course be wrong but Canon slings cameras out the doors and while he might think otherwise the books will decide what happens.

I fought with my 1d3 when they first came out--after Canon manned up and fixed the problem they became an excellent choice.

The 7D not so much--many early bodies struggle with the same problem the 1d3--but there was no fix.

At the next 1.6 crop body introduction the values of the 7D/60D will drop like a rock--every GWC that buys into the hype will HAVE to get the latest and greatest to produce a marginally better end result.

dave kadolph wrote in post #15568032
At the next 1.6 crop body introduction the values of the 7D/60D will drop like a rock--every GWC that buys into the hype will HAVE to get the latest and greatest to produce a marginally better end result.

the 60D was already dropping like a rock in Dec. when Canon was selling them for $600

The problem I see with the release of the next 7d2 being FF is taking away sales from the 5d3. It would be basically the same camera, unless they removed 1dx AF and reduced the SS to less than that of the 5d3. Essentially nerfing what the 7d is now. Step back?

It just doesn't make sense for the next 7d2 to be FF. There just isn't enough wiggle room for three FF semi-pro or pro cameras in Canon's current line-up without significantly nerfing the predecessor of one of the current semi-pro bodies.
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As far as 7d and 60d prices go...I see them falling for two reasons (based off of what Canon CEO said).

7d: If semi-pro bodies move away from crop, then crop sensor tech will be inferior when it comes to price:feature ratio. If they can keep the cost of ff down, there will be less demand for crop cameras. Just because they are better at everything, (unless you want to pull the "reach card".)

60d: the XXD series is kind of stuck between semi-pro and Rebel. The last time I saw a significant difference between a rebel and a XXD was the 40d. They are just too similar, which drives down the price because the rebels have the same capabilities for the same amount of money. Essentially you were paying for a aperture dial, build quality, and frame rate with the 50d, and now the build quality is gone with the 60d.

BirdBoy wrote in post #15599918
The problem I see with the release of the next 7d2 being FF is taking away sales from the 5d3. It would be basically the same camera, unless they removed 1dx AF and reduced the SS to less than that of the 5d3. Essentially nerfing what the 7d is now. Step back?

then the full frame 7D would be a close cousin of the 6D

People talking about 7D2 being FF, consider the following:

1DX: Pro+ body, Pro AF, FF sensor, Pro drive
5D3: Pro body, Pro AF, FF sensor, Entry+ drive
6D: Pro body, Entry AF, FF sensor, Entry drive

7D2: Pro body, Pro AF, FF sensor, Pro drive???
This would have to be better than the 5D3 and worse than the 1DX. That would be a lot of R&D just to fight against its other products. Now consider this:

7D2: Pro body, Pro AF, APS-C sensor, Pro- drive
It'll just be an updated 7D.

Cgb628 wrote in post #15618424
People talking about 7D2 being FF, consider the following:

1DX: Pro+ body, Pro AF, FF sensor, Pro drive
5D3: Pro body, Pro AF, FF sensor, Entry+ drive
6D: Pro body, Entry AF, FF sensor, Entry drive

7D2: Pro body, Pro AF, FF sensor, Pro drive???
This would have to be better than the 5D3 and worse than the 1DX. That would be a lot of R&D just to fight against its other products. Now consider this:

7D2: Pro body, Pro AF, APS-C sensor, Pro- drive
It'll just be an updated 7D.

What I was getting at in simpler terms

7D and 60D are very capable cameras although the ISO performance is considered average comapring to the current sensors. I owned 7D and now using 60D. I prefer 7D's body, button layouts and View finder but 60D's are more than adequate in most scenarios.

And Surprisingly, none of my lenses need MA with 60D but most lenses needs MA when they are on 7D. Not sure why...

It's sure the best time to buy a 60D or 7D if you think they serve your need well.

Let see what Canon will bring to match the new Nikon semi-pro APS-C model. I dont see much of need to upgrade although I dont mind to do that if the AF and hi ISO performance match 5DIII.