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chongkiat
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Feb 02, 2013 10:29 |  #1

Hi guys, currently using canon 60d with 10-22mm , tamron 17-50mm f2.8 non vc, 85mm f1.8

Im happy with all the lens I have, but recently I got an idea, sold my tamron 17-50mm f2.8 and get 24-105mm f4 L is, reason is I always found tamron need to be shoot at f4 only sharp, at f2.8, it always look abit soft that force me to stop to f4

So I need to know is that 24-105mm f4 is sharp at F4? IF so I feel it will be a great deal since I can shoot at f4 yet I stil got IS , summore I will have more range zoom until 105mm for portrait shoot, it will be cover from 10mm until 105mm with just 2 lens, very good for travel too


So in ur guys opinion, would u upgrade ur tamron 1750 f2.8 to 24105mm or stay what I have now? Or 24105mm sharpness cant beat tamron 1750? Bcoz tamron is sharp at f4 and razor sharp at f5.6 !!


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Feb 02, 2013 11:10 |  #2

You are totally excluding the money factor here.
May be you have no problem but that is a main concern for most.

If aim is to limit into a budget, I say change your Tam 17-55 with a Tamron 28-75mm F/2.8 LD XR Di Lens. My copy is extremely sharp across all F stops that I feel like using a L class lens in disguise.

If budget not an issue do as you like.

Overall I think more than thinking of what to buy, its time for you to grab the tools and get out to shoot!


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Feb 02, 2013 11:13 |  #3

This might be a case where what appears to be a downgrade might actually offer better IQ... Is your Tamron 17-50/2.8 the VC version or the cheaper non-VC? The reason I ask, many feel the non-VC is sharper across the board than the stabilized Tamron and offers image quality that's quite competitive with the Canon 17-55/2.8.

The Canon 17-55 beats the 24-105 for sharpness, so I'm pretty sure the Tammy 17-50 non-VR would too. The main disadvantage of the Tamron is slower AF... it's not one of the lenses they've updated to USD yet (similar to Canon USM). If and when they do that, it will be even more of a contender.

I'll tell you frankly, unlike some others I'm not a very big fan of the 24-105. I don't really need IS on these focal lengths. I use the 24-70/2.8 and 28-135 IS instead. The latter is far less expensive and so close in image quality to the 24-105 that you'd be hard pressed to tell the difference. In fact, the 28-135 has less vignetting at bigger apertures, at the wide end. It has very slightly lower resolving power and is a little soft wide open (f5.6) racked all the way out at 135mm, but good luck telling apart prints made with both lenses. The difference is that the L is better built and sealed. But I can buy three or four 28-135s for the price of one 24-105.

You might do comparisons, as best you can considering the different focal lengths, etc., at:

http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Co​mparison-Tools.aspx (external link)

and

http://www.dpreview.co​m …oducts=canon_17​-55_2p8_is (external link)

Seeing that you have a couple faster primes to complement it, you might be fine with a slower mid-range/walk-around zoom such as these. f2.8 is nice to have on a walk-around zoom for those times when you don't want to carry any additional lenses... but f2.8 also always makes for a narrower range of focal lengths. Only you can say which might work better for you.

There is also the new Canon 24-70/4 IS coming soon. It will be more compact than the f2.8 lens. Of course, it won't be cheap, though it's not as expensive as a 24-70/2.8!

If you didn't have the 10-22mm, and decided you can live without f2.8, I might suggest you check out the Canon 15-85mm, too. But since you have the ultrawide lens, this walk-around alternative might be too redundant. The 15-85mm offers top image quality in a relatively compact package. It's also a USM lens and has IS.


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Feb 02, 2013 11:18 |  #4

samsen wrote in post #15563973 (external link)
You are totally excluding the money factor here.
May be you have no problem but that is a main concern for most.

If aim is to limit into a budget, I say change your Tam 17-55 with a Tamron 28-75mm F/2.8 LD XR Di Lens. My copy is extremely sharp across all F stops that I feel like using a L class lens in disguise.

If budget not an issue do as you like.

Overall I think more than thinking of what to buy, its time for you to grab the tools and get out to shoot!

Sorry not to mention that I going to get the 2nd hand unit or any kit that out of 6d/5dmark3 with cheap price

Im not sure 24105mm will be a good idea to replace my 1 year old tamron , bcoz my I feel 10-22mm + 17-50mm isnt a long range for me, I might consider to trade my 85mm f1.8 and tamron to grab the 24105mm , later on when I got money , i would grab any used of 35mm f2 or 50mm f1.4 for bokeh shoot


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Feb 02, 2013 12:43 |  #5
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The 17-55 and 15-85 are both better lenses for an APS-c body than the 24-105. If I could afford it, I'd go with the 24-70 f/2.8 II. I've looked at the 24-105, but never owned it. It just seems to make too many compromises. Distorts heavily at the wide end, only f/4, a bit soft on the long end (but better than consumer zooms) and a lot of money. I recently got a 28-135 IS USM. It focuses fast, is sharp in the center 50%, even wide open, and only cost me $250. F/2.8, it ain't, but it wasn't $2300 either. Every lens choice is a compromise. You have to decide which factors are important to you.


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Feb 03, 2013 20:53 |  #6

TSchrief wrote in post #15564291 (external link)
The 17-55 and 15-85 are both better lenses for an APS-c body than the 24-105. If I could afford it, I'd go with the 24-70 f/2.8 II. I've looked at the 24-105, but never owned it. It just seems to make too many compromises. Distorts heavily at the wide end, only f/4, a bit soft on the long end (but better than consumer zooms) and a lot of money. I recently got a 28-135 IS USM. It focuses fast, is sharp in the center 50%, even wide open, and only cost me $250. F/2.8, it ain't, but it wasn't $2300 either. Every lens choice is a compromise. You have to decide which factors are important to you.


That is because my friend told me that since i own the 10-22m , so 17-50mm is not a big range, with 10-22mm + 24-105mm , i would cover more range for it , since like i need to re-consider to upgrade 24-105mm or stay with my current gear :o


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Feb 03, 2013 22:11 |  #7

I use the 24-105 on the 60D...great lens to complement your ultra wide.




  
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Feb 03, 2013 22:11 |  #8

A 10-22 + 24-105 is decent, but will involve many lens changes when you want to go from wide-normal/tele whereas something like the 15-85 would be able to stay on your camera most of the time, with the 10-22 coming out only for the really wide shots. The 15-85 would likely be sharper than the 24-105. There is also the new Sigma 17-70 OS Contemporary that is coming out in a month or so, in your position I would wait and see how it performs as it will be priced very reasonably, and the old version was very nice (I think they redesigned the lens for the new version, but I am not sure. If they did it is worth waiting, if not, you will likely not be happy with sharpness wide open).


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Feb 05, 2013 09:58 |  #9

Sirrith wrote in post #15569440 (external link)
A 10-22 + 24-105 is decent, but will involve many lens changes when you want to go from wide-normal/tele whereas something like the 15-85 would be able to stay on your camera most of the time, with the 10-22 coming out only for the really wide shots. The 15-85 would likely be sharper than the 24-105. There is also the new Sigma 17-70 OS Contemporary that is coming out in a month or so, in your position I would wait and see how it performs as it will be priced very reasonably, and the old version was very nice (I think they redesigned the lens for the new version, but I am not sure. If they did it is worth waiting, if not, you will likely not be happy with sharpness wide open).



Thank for ur recommend, I will wait and see how is the sigma new lens hehe


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