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newfly5
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Jan 10, 2006 16:34 |  #1

I got two different links from here that wouldnt open, Thank You very much for the effort but does anyone know a link that works at least for them with ps cs? I thought it was 2.4 and cant find it on adobe page I shoot with a canon xt if that matters. Thank you very much.

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Jan 10, 2006 16:38 |  #2

You need PS CS2 for the Rebel XT. The latest version of ACR for CS2 is v.3.3.



  
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Jan 10, 2006 16:47 |  #3

The only workaround that I am aware of is to use Adobe's Digital Negative converter to generate .dng files from your RAW source. Then you can open the .dng files in CS1.

You can download DNG from here:

http://www.adobe.com/p​roducts/dng/main.html (external link)

Hope this helps.


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Jan 10, 2006 16:49 |  #4

whats the diff between the dng and raw??? Thanks


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Jan 10, 2006 17:00 |  #5

Alternatively, you could try Rawshooter Essentials (external link). It's a free raw converter and works very well. Bottom line, though, is you are going to have to start reading up on the info that has been provided. Everything you need to get started is in the links provided. Now it's you're turn to learn, and get the basics down. If you run into any problems installing, feel free to ask.



  
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Jan 10, 2006 17:00 as a reply to  @ newfly5's post |  #6

Its basically an archival standard that Adobe has set up that ensures you can open your RAW files well into the future.

From thier website:

The Digital Negative (DNG), a publicly available archival format for the raw files generated by digital cameras. By addressing the lack of an open standard for the raw files created by individual camera models, DNG helps ensure that photographers will be able to access their files in the future.

The DNG Converter easily translates RAW files from various cameras.

Once you convert your raw files using the DNG converter, you should be able to open the RAW files in CS1.


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Jan 10, 2006 17:39 |  #7

To expand on Chris's answer, you want the DNG converter packaged with a modern version of ACR (either 3.3 beta or 3.2 if you want to stick to released versions) to convert your RAW files to DNG.

Once you've done that, you should be able to use ACR 2.4 with your Photoshop CS to open the DNG files.


You need at least ACR 3.1 to open RAW files from the 350D (Digital Rebel XT) directly. In turn, ACR 3.1 requires Photoshop CS2, or Photoshop Elements 3.0 or higher.

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Jan 10, 2006 18:02 |  #8

Thank you so much so far. and I dont mean to ask to much but as I am just learning what these are, what is the diff between cs2 and elements 3 and is elements 3.0 better than cs? I have a friends copy of cs2 so I have invested nothing so I am up for all opinions on which program to buy for a beginner at raw and post processing using an xt. Thank you very much for all the info so far.


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Jan 10, 2006 18:19 as a reply to  @ newfly5's post |  #9

newfly5 wrote:
Thank you so much so far. and I dont mean to ask to much but as I am just learning what these are, what is the diff between cs2 and elements 3 and is elements 3.0 better than cs? I have a friends copy of cs2 so I have invested nothing so I am up for all opinions on which program to buy for a beginner at raw and post processing using an xt. Thank you very much for all the info so far.

Since you have access to PSCS2, all you need to do now is go to the Canon Web site and download that package containing both ACR v3.3 and the DNG converter. You can ignore the DNG converter if you don't really need it - which you don't.


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Jan 10, 2006 18:44 as a reply to  @ cforslund's post |  #10

cforslund wrote:
Its basically an archival standard that Adobe has set up that ensures you can open your RAW files well into the future.

I still haven't figured out this DNG thing,yet. I have not found anything in the DNG capabilities that indicates that you can open RAW files in the future. What I do see indicates that it will allow you to embed the RAW file in with the DNG file, which means you don't have to keep track of the RAW file separately. However, the only thing that DNG seems to do is convert the RAW file to a DNG file, for which the only reader is the Adobe Camera RAW plug-in, and I am still trying to figure out how that is any better than what we have without DNG. Perhaps you can clear that up for me.

From thier website:

The Digital Negative (DNG), a publicly available archival format for the raw files generated by digital cameras. By addressing the lack of an open standard for the raw files created by individual camera models, DNG helps ensure that photographers will be able to access their files in the future.

The DNG Converter easily translates RAW files from various cameras.

Notice that it's not very specific as to what "their files" is. The one thing that is clear, however, is that once the RAW file is converted to the DNG format, there is no longer a need to have the RAW file or whatever RAW processing program you had been using for whatever camera is involved - so long as you have an ACR version that can read the DNG file.

Once you convert your raw files using the DNG converter, you should be able to open the RAW files in CS1.

Actually, the file you are opening is no longer RAW, it's DNG - otherwise that statement seems correct. I haven't tried that yet, but come to think about it, that might be worth trying just to see that it really works. I just converted a RAW to DNG, and I know the DNG opens in the PSCS2 ACRv3.3, so now I will take that DNG file to my machine that runs PSCS and see if it opens there.


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Jan 10, 2006 18:54 |  #11

It should, Bob. In fact, this the only reason I can see to use DNG. It's a little contradictive of the usual smooth workflow that Adobe usually provides.



  
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Jan 10, 2006 19:00 |  #12

I believe tyhat adobe introduced DNG as a general RAW format that they were hoping that all Camera will accept and use instead of having various different type of RAW formats floating around. Although I haven't try it myself it seems to be an interesting concept. Being able to pass DNG around and being able to view them with say Adobe Reader across both MAC & PC.




  
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Jan 10, 2006 19:04 |  #13

Can't you already do that with current formats? I very rarely use Acrobat Reader, I'd prefer any format be web browser compatable at the very least. I see the same issue j2k.



  
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Jan 10, 2006 19:09 |  #14

typo error on my part. I have cs not cs2. So what would I need?? And should I start in elements or will I be ok?? Thank YOu


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Jan 10, 2006 19:26 |  #15

You'll need the DNG converter mentioned above, to convert your cr2 files to DNG format. Then you'll be able to open them in ACR 2.4 for CS.

[EDIT: don't feel bad -- I made a typo too, but it's fixed!]



  
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