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4 Speedlites. Muay Thai

 
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Feb 22, 2013 16:22 |  #1

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Model is a cousin who trains in MMA.

Was testing out my new Yongnuo yn622c. They work great! I am new to strobists and been reading a lot on it. Also just bought two 580ex2s. I usually also do PP in PS but in this image, I decided to stay in LR. Please feel free to critique or edit. Thanks


Strobist info: ISO 100 45mm f7.14 1/200 speedlites. 2x 580exii (at 1/16) to camera left and right, slightly behind model. 1 550ex (1/32) in front and below facing model. 1 430 (1/32) ex behind model facing backdrop. Canon 5dii and 24-105mm and YN622c transceivers.

1. Split Tone edit in Lightroom

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Feb 22, 2013 16:35 |  #2

Here is one more. Levels in LR but also used Gaussian Blur and masking on the background in PS for this one because of the wrinkles in the back drop.

This one is inspired by John Lehmann

Strobist. 5dmii iso100 47mm f7.1 1/200 1 550 ex to camera left parallel with model. 1 430ex behind model facing backdrop. 1 580exii camera right (for shadow). Shot on 10 second timer so I can hold the gloves to cast a shadow. Also using yn622c

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Feb 22, 2013 19:08 |  #3

Nice work! I really prefer the first one over all others, and your 2nd post addition is my least favorite, too portrait-like for the theme, in my (admittedly unqualified) opinion. 1st one fits the Muay Thai theme perfectly. I do train Muay Thai though so I have a bit of perspective.


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Feb 23, 2013 00:25 |  #4

not too bad. I really like the last one. I dont like the color one as much.


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Feb 23, 2013 10:47 |  #5

The last photo, the blur is bad, you can see around his body where it is not blurred.




  
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Feb 23, 2013 11:24 |  #6

Yeah I see that now. Did it too quickly in ps and not at 100% crop. Thanks everyone.



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Feb 23, 2013 17:03 |  #7

I was looking at the image and in PS it looks fine. But when brought back into LR and with the LR sharpening the blur or lack thereof around the model becomes more obvious.



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Feb 24, 2013 13:22 |  #8

The split tone edit is awesome! As a critique, composition is good. Exposure is good (although some may argue about this aspect). Hard contrasty light works well for athletes esp in this type of shot. You could try to bring out a little more light in the dark areas on the body (R arm biceps/triceps and L flank/abs), but I think it's fine as is.

I like the small amount of light your 2 R and L lights give to the background next to his head, but
the 4th light (lower) on the background gets a little lost and may be unnecessary. I would have liked to see a little more light on the front part of the R fist--perhaps the background light could have been placed here to achieve that. That is being really nit picky though and over all I love this shot.

Thanks for posting this!


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Feb 24, 2013 13:30 as a reply to  @ kuma1212's post |  #9

#2 is my favorite
I like the composition of the last one but the background looks faked, it must be cuz of the wrinkles and how you blurred it? And the hard shadow on his chest is distracting.




  
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Feb 25, 2013 03:03 |  #10

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The split tone edit is awesome! As a critique, composition is good. Exposure is good (although some may argue about this aspect). Hard contrasty light works well for athletes esp in this type of shot. You could try to bring out a little more light in the dark areas on the body (R arm biceps/triceps and L flank/abs), but I think it's fine as is.

I like the small amount of light your 2 R and L lights give to the background next to his head, but
the 4th light (lower) on the background gets a little lost and may be unnecessary. I would have liked to see a little more light on the front part of the R fist--perhaps the background light could have been placed here to achieve that. That is being really nit picky though and over all I love this shot.

Thanks for posting this!

Thanks for the thorough critique.
1 and 2 lights i think it spilled both ways--flared into the lens and onto the bg. The spill was unintentional when i first set it up, but after chimping the on the back of my camera, decided i liked it and kept it in rather than snooting or gobo. It felt like stage lights to me. Which also guided my post production. In my processing i decided to up the shadows to give the room a darker feel (which eliminated the 4th light). I also liked that it also made it appear or simulate it was taken in the ring and the lights like stage lights.

4th light. If you look at the straight out of camera the background is lit and does show up and separates him from the background. And you're right, maybe not enough, or unnecessary but I had the extra speedlite, so I just put it there. I wanted to separate him in the event I made the picture into a composition, but I felt it stood well on its own and didnt go that route. I do see the dark hand, something to consider next time. I appreciate the detail of your comment.

#2 is my favorite
I like the composition of the last one but the background looks faked, it must be cuz of the wrinkles and how you blurred it? And the hard shadow on his chest is distracting.

Thanks. You're right, I might have to tone down that Gaussian blur or just get rid of it. Funny, I used to be really big in PS to make up for my bad pictures, but in the last few of years as my pictures improved and the need for PS decreased, I have been real sloppy with it.

As far as composition, I do like the image, but it is definitely a contrast to the first image. He appears more vulnerable in this pose and not as powerful, light and all. As another commenter said, it does look like a portrait. In this case, because it is a portrait, I should have also tried using some modifiers on the key light. The shadow almost creates wings on his back, which I may just play up and turn into black shadow bat wings...

Still trying to master lighting but I enjoy the complexities and possibilities. Thanks again for all of the comments.



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Feb 25, 2013 03:11 |  #11

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Here is another one I took the same day. This one with no front, just two side lights and low powered rear light. In hindsight, I wish I had long side lights to this or two lights below the ones lighting his head to show his fists. Maybe I will retry this shot.


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Feb 26, 2013 12:44 |  #12

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Here is another one I took the same day. This one with no front, just two side lights and low powered rear light. In hindsight, I wish I had long side lights to this or two lights below the ones lighting his head to show his fists. Maybe I will retry this shot.

My first instinct about this shot is the obvious---face too dark. But there is an interesting look/mystery about it. I think a shot like this needs to be lit very symmetrically (although I could certainly make an argument against the symmetry as well--to bring out great contrast between sides). The R side looks maybe 2/3 stop hotter than the L?

I didn't even notice the fists until I read your comment. I agree, a stripbox on each side could give a nice look.

I actually like this pic cropped to just show the shoulders, face, and forehead (more of a headshot).

You have clearly thought about these images both from a lighting and a post processing perspective. I'd love see more images!


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Feb 28, 2013 15:08 |  #13

Kuma, nice work. I think the final image has the most mystique to it. I teach at a gym that instructs in both Brazilian Jiu Jitsu and Muay Thai. I may have to try some of these poses with some our fighters and those that want to look like ones. LOL


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