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Cheap Competitors - How do they do it?

 
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Apr 01, 2013 18:21 |  #106

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What I think is that very few people on this forum are actually feeding their families with photography.
People in all types of businesses report cheats/criminals when they suspect them.

Sorry but as it applies to "real" business', I am going to call your reply BS.

As a person who has run a few businesses, I can assure you, I never gave a cats fanny about my so called competitions tax status, period.

On top of that, I would never “drop a dime” on someone I thought was bending the system because, “anonymous” is really not that so anonymous and the last thing I need to do is spend a few un-paid hours getting deposed.

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Apr 01, 2013 18:31 |  #107

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Have you ever made a post that didn't talk about ratting photogs out to the IRS? Why don't you just hire the mafia to knee-cap your competition?

This is a Business forum and I am offering business advice. I am offering a legal solution.
Most appear to be condoning illegal behavior.
"All it takes for evil to flourish is for a few good men to do nothing" comes to mind.




  
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Apr 01, 2013 18:37 |  #108
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mobei wrote in post #15780363 (external link)
This is a Business forum and I am offering business advice. I am offering a legal solution.
Most appear to be condoning illegal behavior.
"All it takes for evil to flourish is for a few good men to do nothing" comes to mind.

So, making a dollar and keeping is now considered evil? Any federal prosecutor who is honest will tell you that we ALL commit federal felonies every day. No exceptions. If you were given the max for every crime you've committed, just within the last month, you would spend the rest of your life in prison and wouldn't be eligible for parole until long after you're dead. Turn yourself in and throw yourself on the mercy of the court.


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Apr 01, 2013 18:38 |  #109

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Sorry but as it applies to "real" business', I am going to call your reply BS.

As a person who has run a few businesses, I can assure you, I never gave a cats fanny about my so called competitions tax status, period.

On top of that, I would never “drop a dime” on someone I thought was bending the system because, “anonymous” is really not that so anonymous and the last thing I need to do is spend a few un-paid hours getting deposed.

Wayne

I'm glad that you've never been in those shoes.
I will never be deposed because a link to a Facebook page sent by me means nothing. The tax authorities gather the real evidence and prosecute. You have no understanding of the system. I simply send them a link and they take it from there. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure who is and isn't legit. 50% is a pretty good track record. The state tax people appreciate the leads. State revenue is hurting.




  
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Apr 01, 2013 18:39 |  #110

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So, making a dollar and keeping is now considered evil? Any federal prosecutor who is honest will tell you that we ALL commit federal felonies every day. No exceptions. If you were given the max for every crime you've committed, just within the last month, you would spend the rest of your life in prison and wouldn't be eligible for parole until long after you're dead. Turn yourself in and throw yourself on the mercy of the court.

You make no sense whatsoever:confused:




  
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Apr 01, 2013 18:41 |  #111

mobei wrote in post #15780395 (external link)
I'm glad that you've never been in those shoes.
I will never be deposed because a link to a Facebook page sent by me means nothing. The tax authorities gather the real evidence and prosecute. You have no understanding of the system. I simply send them a link and they take it from there. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure who is and isn't legit. 50% is a pretty good track record. The state tax people appreciate the leads. State revenue is hurting.

You honestly believe you're the source of all this??????


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Apr 01, 2013 18:44 |  #112
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mobei wrote in post #15780403 (external link)
You make no sense whatsoever:confused:

My post was written in clear, simple English. How hard could it be to understand?


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Apr 01, 2013 18:44 |  #113

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You honestly believe you're the source of all this??????

Could you clarify, source of what?




  
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Apr 01, 2013 18:47 |  #114

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My post was written in clear, simple English. How hard could it be to understand?

Sorry I guess I run with a different crowd then you. I have never committed a felony or any other crime worse than a speeding ticket. I call you out on the statement that any federal prosecutor would tell you that everyone has committed a felony.




  
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Apr 01, 2013 18:59 |  #115
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Sorry I guess I run with a different crowd then you. I have never committed a felony or any other crime worse than a speeding ticket. I call you out on the statement that any federal prosecutor would tell you that everyone has committed a felony.

Sure you have. There's a 99.9% chance that you violate the Clean Water Act every day; probably the Clean Air Act, also. Have you read every law and its associated case law?


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Apr 01, 2013 18:59 |  #116

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I'm the guy with the studio, feeds my family with my photography and does it while fulfilling all my legal obligations and I need more skills?:rolleyes:

I'll add something else: Why should I have to work more hours every week in order to maintain a living because others are breaking the law?

Because it has nothing to do with you. Whether they paid their inheritance tax on the $35 they inherited from Great-aunt Ethel isn't your business. Being a good photographer is your business. If their work isn't good, that will reveal itself eventually. Those who are cheating, if they are, more than likely won't ever look at photography as more than a hobby, and they'll more than likely quit and pursue another hobby in a few years, which leaves you as one of the few who has always been there and produced exceptional work.
The previous scenario, of course, was assuming that people don't find out that you like to turn people in for not paying taxes on the 25 cents they found in the parking lot; I can't imagine they would be happy.

Or perhaps the offender doesn't know he is offending. I certainly don't know all the laws, but I will willingly adhere to all I know. I am wanting to get my business name/license very soon, but I don't know exactly how to go about it. What if the tables were turned, and you were, oh, say, a 16 year old who is getting into photography? You're scraping by, doing all you know, when suddenly, someone rats on you. How would you feel?

Perhaps they aren't even doing enough business to need a license. In my state, I don't have to have a license unless I make in excess of over $4,000. If they are just doing photography on the side, or for the fun of it, they very likely are doing nothing wrong at all!


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Apr 01, 2013 19:11 |  #117

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I will never be deposed because a link to a Facebook page sent by me means nothing.

And it’s a finger pointing right back to you, if needed.

The tax authorities gather the real evidence and prosecute.


And they are measured upon cases they close and if needed to close one out, they will drag you into the issue, while you may not want to go there, you will.

You have no understanding of the system. I simply send them a link and they take it from there.


Oh trust me, I have a good understanding of the “system.”

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Apr 01, 2013 19:22 |  #118

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Because it has nothing to do with you. Whether they paid their inheritance tax on the $35 they inherited from Great-aunt Ethel isn't your business. Being a good photographer is your business. If their work isn't good, that will reveal itself eventually. Those who are cheating, if they are, more than likely won't ever look at photography as more than a hobby, and they'll more than likely quit and pursue another hobby in a few years, which leaves you as one of the few who has always been there and produced exceptional work.
The previous scenario, of course, was assuming that people don't find out that you like to turn people in for not paying taxes on the 25 cents they found in the parking lot; I can't imagine they would be happy.

It has everything to do with me. I'm losing money because they are breaking the law.
When they go away another just takes their place.
Or perhaps the offender doesn't know he is offending. I certainly don't know all the laws, but I will willingly adhere to all I know. I am wanting to get my business name/license very soon, but I don't know exactly how to go about it. What if the tables were turned, and you were, oh, say, a 16 year old who is getting into photography? You're scraping by, doing all you know, when suddenly, someone rats on you. How would you feel?

When you start a business you do it right. Why should I or others who do it the right way suffer at the hands of people who are lazy, ignorant or are just plain criminals. Ignorance is no excuse. I did it right why shouldn't everyone have to? Perhaps they aren't even doing enough business to need a license. In my state, I don't have to have a license unless I make in excess of over $4,000. If they are just doing photography on the side, or for the fun of it, they very likely are doing nothing wrong at all!

[I]Most states require you to collect sales tax.




  
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Apr 01, 2013 19:25 |  #119

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And it’s a finger pointing right back to you, if needed.

And they are measured upon cases they close and if needed to close one out, they will drag you into the issue, while you may not want to go there, you will.

Oh trust me, I have a good understanding of the “system.”

Wayne

If it happens it happens. I didn't do anything wrong. Reporting suspected criminal behavior is being a good citizen.




  
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Apr 01, 2013 20:02 as a reply to  @ mobei's post |  #120

I work for the state sales tax revenue agency in California, look it up if you don't know who it is. I have to tell you that the state does not have the manpower or the means to go after little Jimmy who decided to turn his hobby into a business and makes a few thousand dollars a year, there are much bigger fish to fry than someone who evaded the state for a couple of hundred dollars in sales tax. I'm sure many people have failed to pay use tax for their untaxed purchases from Adorama and Amazon, it happens all the time but in the end it's not feasible for the state to pay a hefty salary for someone to track all this. Do I condone someone starting a business without the proper permits and evading sales tax? No I don't, but instead of blaming these people for ruining your business, make your business so great that they have no choice but to hire you for your services.


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