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Feb 27, 2013 13:06 |  #16

Actually.. targeting a specific shooting audience isn't a bad idea. making sure you have a model for specific audience is probably going to be smart.. even if it is a limited audience.

Then making them in a modular way (at least on assembly line) is also smart. Probably take quite a bit to make that do-able though.


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Feb 27, 2013 13:18 |  #17

Canon should just make a D.I.Y. camera.

You buy the parts (case, sensor, chips, shutter, mirror, prism, etc...) as your choosing and then assemble it at home by yourself.

Of course with the disclaimer that if the camera doesn't work after your own botched attempt at assembly, not their problem.


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Feb 27, 2013 13:19 |  #18

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"Why again do you think you're in a position to offer advice to Canon?"
Really????
BECAUSE I am the customer!

So if 1 million customers send 1 million different requests to Canon for something, you think Canon should send out 1 million different product to meet these requests?

I'm not sure that Canon - or any other business - would stay in business if that were how things worked


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Feb 27, 2013 13:19 |  #19

We have live view and beefy graphics processors in our cameras as it is. 90% of the effort of video is already IN the camera whether or not anyone wants to use it. The rest becomes mostly software, which they have already written for use in more dedicated video systems... Throwing in that last 10% of effort costs them essentially nothing, and gives users a highly useful option. (Audio in jacks are nothing in the grand scheme of things)


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Feb 27, 2013 13:32 |  #20

SMP_Homer wrote in post #15658254 (external link)
So if 1 million customers send 1 million different requests to Canon for something, you think Canon should send out 1 million different product to meet these requests?

I'm not sure that Canon - or any other business - would stay in business if that were how things worked

That's pretty much how the housing industry works. There is a basic design, then each customer sits down with the builder and customizes it to their need. The car industry is a bit like that as well. You can basically build your own car with the options you are looking for, so it is possible.

On a consumer electronic level though it is way more cost effective to build a flexible camera covering as many as possible and allow customers to do the final customizations. For instance, want a still camera only? Don't use the video feature and take only stills. Want your focus button elsewhere? Pop into the menus and change the location. Dont want built in flash? Don't hit the flash button. Don't want live view, don't press the button.

There really is no cost penalty for including a feature you do not want. You are free to not use it. Live view, video, built in flash, programmable buttons are probably the best examples. Economy of scale will make the full feature set is cheaper than if 15 different cameras were made each with different feature sets.


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Feb 27, 2013 13:45 |  #21

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That's pretty much how the housing industry works. There is a basic design, then each customer sits down with the builder and customizes it to their need. The car industry is a bit like that as well. You can basically build your own car with the options you are looking for, so it is possible.

On a consumer electronic level though it is way more cost effective to build a flexible camera covering as many as possible and allow customers to do the final customizations. For instance, want a still camera only? Don't use the video feature and take only stills. Want your focus button elsewhere? Pop into the menus and change the location. Dont want built in flash? Don't hit the flash button. Don't want live view, don't press the button.

There really is no cost penalty for including a feature you do not want. You are free to not use it. Live view, video, built in flash, programmable buttons are probably the best examples. Economy of scale will make the full feature set is cheaper than if 15 different cameras were made each with different feature sets.

Have you priced Pre-Fab housing vs fully custom designed and built? How about suburb cookie-cutter housing compared to fully custom in a similar setting? You generally pay a LOT more for the same quality when you don't settle for someone else's plan.


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Feb 27, 2013 13:45 |  #22

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. A good business practice is to accommodate the needs of your customers and provide for their needs.

Yes, the customer's needs, not YOURS. I'm pretty sure everyone else is satisfied save for a handful of pixel peepers with D800 envy

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Would be nice from Canon in this case to either do something as I have proposed or have a CUSTOM LINE (like some computer companies) and us be able to order cameras customized based on OUR needs. For the $$$ they demand for a PRO camera, I expect more from them.

That's a good idea if you want to lose a lot of money with the R&D costs to sell ONE camera just for your unique snowflake needs because whatever they have right now wouldn't cut it because you're special.

Also, spending $$ on a pro camera doesn't instantly make you a share holder!

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Feb 27, 2013 13:58 |  #23

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Have you priced Pre-Fab housing vs fully custom designed and built? How about suburb cookie-cutter housing compared to fully custom in a similar setting? You generally pay a LOT more for the same quality when you don't settle for someone else's plan.

No question that the more customization you ask for, the higher the cost, but there are reasonable options besides a fully pre-fab or fully custom design and the cost is not unreasonable. Most new housing developments in the areas i live will offer several basic designs, usually from maybe 6 to sometimes as many as 12. They come with a standard package but are fairly customizable from the type of flooring, cabinets, colors, house orientation all without adding cost. Some even give you a choice of several floor plans as well. These builders have customization down pretty good.

But I'm not arguing, the more the flexibility and customization, generally the more the cost.


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Feb 27, 2013 16:14 |  #24

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"BECAUSE I am the customer!

No. You are a customer. Like a lot of customers you assume that your needs and desires are the same as all the other customers. Your assumption is severely flawed.


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Feb 27, 2013 16:47 |  #25

gjl711 wrote in post #15658296 (external link)
That's pretty much how the housing industry works. There is a basic design, then each customer sits down with the builder and customizes it to their need. The car industry is a bit like that as well. You can basically build your own car with the options you are looking for, so it is possible.

On a consumer electronic level though it is way more cost effective to build a flexible camera covering as many as possible and allow customers to do the final customizations. For instance, want a still camera only? Don't use the video feature and take only stills. Want your focus button elsewhere? Pop into the menus and change the location. Dont want built in flash? Don't hit the flash button. Don't want live view, don't press the button.

There really is no cost penalty for including a feature you do not want. You are free to not use it. Live view, video, built in flash, programmable buttons are probably the best examples. Economy of scale will make the full feature set is cheaper than if 15 different cameras were made each with different feature sets.

That's also pretty much how the camera business works too. You have your pick of almost a dozen base models, then add any combination of 60+ lenses to suit your needs, and of course the amount of memory you want, and the external lighting equipment, etc...


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Feb 27, 2013 21:36 |  #26

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No. You are a customer. Like a lot of customers you assume that your needs and desires are the same as all the other customers. Your assumption is severely flawed.

But there are lots of "a" customers on here. And there's lots of dissension in the ranks too. Lots of people want Sony/Nikon DR in Canons new models, not software sensor tweaks instead. Lots of Canon people are now shooting 2 systems now, they've bought into Nikons high MP/better DR.
Canon may laugh at the OP as one person asking for specifics, they will ignore him I'm sure of that, as they already ignored the increasing amount of "buyers" on here who went and bought D600/800's. The next 2/3 months will probably see me do the same if Canon doesnt listen to the what their customers want...........


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Feb 28, 2013 08:50 |  #27

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But there are lots of "a" customers on here. And there's lots of dissension in the ranks too. Lots of people want Sony/Nikon DR in Canons new models, not software sensor tweaks instead. Lots of Canon people are now shooting 2 systems now, they've bought into Nikons high MP/better DR.
Canon may laugh at the OP as one person asking for specifics, they will ignore him I'm sure of that, as they already ignored the increasing amount of "buyers" on here who went and bought D600/800's. The next 2/3 months will probably see me do the same if Canon doesnt listen to the what their customers want...........

Of the roughly 20 or so serious or semi serious shooters that I know in person who use non-Nikon dSLRs, so far 2 have switched to Nikon for the high MP and better DR offered.

One has sold his Nikon gear after a little over a month of use. The other was using Sony or Pentax, and bought in.

Everyone else? We have canon glass, we use canon systems, we can get our job done with canon. Why switch? In a year or two things may very well become reversed and Canon will have a new sensor family that blows Nikon's out of the water. Who knows.


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