Strobe for indoor and outdoor

gonzogolf wrote in post #15675211
You need to stop pondering a gear purchase and do some reading on lighting. Any cheap wireless trigger can fire a monolight. Your 430exII in manual mode can fire the monolight as an optical slave, Just not in ETTL mode because ETTL uses a preflash. Honestly you probably dont want to mix ETTL and manual flash anyway as ETTL has a but of unpredictability built into it.

Ok Thanks, last time I ordered something from B&H the salesman told me something wrong, that is why i'm asking here before making a purchase!
Also people have experience here!

Curtis N wrote in post #15675676
It's possible and could be the best route, but the 430EX has to be in Manual mode. In E-TTL mode, the pre-flash will fire the off-camera strobe prematurely.

Thanks

Otherwise, any radio trigger set, including the Paul C Buff Cybersync system can be used. You can plug the transmitter into the PC socket on your camera and fire a hotshoe flash at the same time, and you can use E-TTL if you want.

Great, thanks guys !

sega62 wrote in post #15676366
Ok Thanks, last time I ordered something from B&H the salesman told me something wrong, that is why i'm asking here before making a purchase!
Also people have experience here!
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This is a good learning resource, but my point is that you need to start at a basic level of understanding how these systems work, how they work together and the strengths of the each type of gear. Your questions indicate you are missing some basic understanding of the difference between triggering (simple fire command) and mastering (controlling and triggering), and what each type of light is capable of.

gonzogolf wrote in post #15676391
This is a good learning resource, but my point is that you need to start at a basic level of understanding how these systems work, how they work together and the strengths of the each type of gear. Your questions indicate you are missing some basic understanding of the difference between triggering (simple fire command) and mastering (controlling and triggering), and what each type of light is capable of.

Well, I surely gotta to learn, but I gotta shoot some pictures real soon, so I need my flash to trigger everything in wireless, since I do business in bars and places where people walk.

so something wireless that can trigger my flash (430ex II) and a monolight, I think that this could do it!
http://www.bhphotovide​o.com …erSync16_DC_Rec​eiver.html


I know i'm putting the wagon before the horse, but I ain't got time on my hands!
Everything will come gradually as I read about it, and experience it, but for now I need the right gear.

sega62 wrote in post #15676440
Well, I surely gotta to learn, but I gotta shoot some pictures real soon, so I need my flash to trigger everything in wireless, since I do business in bars and places where people walk.

so something wireless that can trigger my flash (430ex II) and a monolight, I think that this could do it!
http://www.bhphotovide​o.com …erSync16_DC_Rec​eiver.html


I know i'm putting the wagon before the horse, but I ain't got time on my hands!
Everything will come gradually as I read about it, and experience it, but for now I need the right gear.

The reading can be done in a couple of hours, the regret of buying the wrong stuff that wont do what you want will last a hell of a lot longer.

It looks that trigger is a manual only trigger. I dont think it will allow ETTL pass through to the shoe on top, better double check it to confirm.

gonzogolf wrote in post #15676464
It looks that trigger is a manual only trigger. I dont think it will allow ETTL pass through to the shoe on top, better double check it to confirm.

What would be my choice in something ETTL, if it does'nt exist, I'll do everything manually, it's just that the 430 ex II is not as fun to change settings as the 580 ex II
You have to access a small button, press it, sometimes 3 times cause I got big fingers, and then have those 2 knobs on the sides to push again and again, what a stupid way of designing a flash, the 580 has a wheel that is a lot more user friendly!

sega62 wrote in post #15676485
What would be my choice in something ETTL, if it does'nt exist, I'll do everything manually, it's just that the 430 ex II is not as fun to change settings as the 580 ex II
You have to access a small button, press it, sometimes 3 times cause I got big fingers, and then have those 2 knobs on the sides to push again and again, what a stupid way of designing a flash, the 580 has a wheel that is a lot more user friendly!

You are mixing two systems here, so no solution is going to be perfect. As mentioned before the YN622 will work, but they are a bit pricey. Why does the second light have to be a monolight? Perhaps this is an occasion for a two speedlite system.

sega: there is a huge thread about the yongnuo 622.

gonzogolf wrote in post #15676493
You are mixing two systems here, so no solution is going to be perfect. As mentioned before the YN622 will work, but they are a bit pricey. Why does the second light have to be a monolight? Perhaps this is an occasion for a two speedlite system.

Ok, here is the picture,

I do pictures in a fetish bar, that mean it's a place where it's dark as hell (yep) and there is a show going on, usually very artistic, I was taking pictures with my 430 exII and was happy, until a photographer (yes a pro) ask me to look at my pics, and I showed my pics, and he showed me his, and he told me that he was using someking of trigger to trigger his camera flash and a unit that he installed on the ceiling, could be a flash, could be a monolight (i did not noticed) but his photos were a lot nicer, more flattering results with more light.

So, now I need to have another flash, or monolight, I think that a monolight could be more versatile, using different light modifier and more flattering results too, BUT I really need a flash ON my camera , that is for sure, the other light will be used as a fill light.

So I need something wireless, no cables, I hate cables.And I could use the monolight for portrait shoots also!

I would do this Buy one of these http://www.paulcbuff.c​om/cst.php and one of these http://www.paulcbuff.c​om/csr.php (the battery version) They are dead on reliable which is important for place with a remote monolight. The receiver can be attached to your camera via the PC sync port on the side of your camera instead of the hotshoe so that your shoe is freed up for ETTL use with the speedlite. Just tape the trigger your strap and run a cord into the PC sync port and you are good to go.

gonzogolf wrote in post #15676591
I would do this Buy one of these http://www.paulcbuff.c​om/cst.php and one of these http://www.paulcbuff.c​om/csr.php (the battery version) They are dead on reliable which is important for place with a remote monolight. The receiver can be attached to your camera via the PC sync port on the side of your camera instead of the hotshoe so that your shoe is freed up for ETTL use with the speedlite. Just tape the trigger your strap and run a cord into the PC sync port and you are good to go.

Cool, so what you are telling me is that there is no trigger that mounts the camera hotshoe that is able to receive a camera flash on top, that is as reliable to trigger both the monolight and flash?

I don't mind spending the money, but having something tape to my camera is not my best bet!

sega62 wrote in post #15676628
Cool, so what you are telling me is that there is no trigger that mounts the camera hotshoe that is able to receive a camera flash on top, that is as reliable to trigger both the monolight and flash?

I don't mind spending the money, but having something tape to my camera is not my best bet!

the triggers that set in your hotshoe, upon which you would then mount your flash (and then want it to function in ETTL mode) are all ETTL triggers. You dont really need an ETTL trigger as your monolight will be manual only. Plus you are adding an element of instability as those triggers have to hold the weight of a flash being used in a club environment, something I wouldnt risk unnecessarily. I would much rather have any potential failure point be the link between the camera and the monolight which is less important link image wise and security wise. Dont be fooled by triggers you see online that include a hotshoe on top, most of those do not pass through ETTL information to the flash mounted on top of them..

Also if your last experience wasnt telling, dont rely on camera store salesmen to be impartial about what your needs are. They sell what they carry. Often that means house brand junk that limits you going forward.

gonzogolf wrote in post #15676808
the triggers that set in your hotshoe, upon which you would then mount your flash (and then want it to function in ETTL mode) are all ETTL triggers. You dont really need an ETTL trigger as your monolight will be manual only. Plus you are adding an element of instability as those triggers have to hold the weight of a flash being used in a club environment, something I wouldnt risk unnecessarily. I would much rather have any potential failure point be the link between the camera and the monolight which is less important link image wise and security wise. Dont be fooled by triggers you see online that include a hotshoe on top, most of those do not pass through ETTL information to the flash mounted on top of them..

Also if your last experience wasnt telling, dont rely on camera store salesmen to be impartial about what your needs are. They sell what they carry. Often that means house brand junk that limits you going forward.

Ok, I will read on this topic a little more, since the ettl concept seems only to apply to Canon's product,

What I hate about my flash on the manual mode, is those buttons I have to push, so many times, with my big hands, it's a mess!

Surely I will get a flash that I can dial with the wheel, instead of buttons.

Thx for the infos, I'll be back for more questions soon,

gonzogolf wrote in post #15676808
Dont be fooled by triggers you see online that include a hotshoe on top, most of those do not pass through ETTL information to the flash mounted on top of them..

the YN622c does.

OP: if you JUST want an ettl2 fill flash, you only need two 622cs: one for the camera hot shoe, one for the remote flash unit. that remote flash can be a) a strobe, in which case it is full manual, or b) an ettl2 flash, in which case it CAN be ettl2 (along with the other ettl2 benefits, such as HSS). that pair of units opens up the world of off camera flash, both ettl2 and manual.

either way, the hotshoe on top of the 622c DOES pass through ettl2 properly. i am sure of this because that's exactly how i use mine: big strobe remotely triggered manually for ambient, on camera speedlight using ettl2 for fill and catchlight. they have been dead reliable for me so far.

ride5000 wrote in post #15678484
the YN622c does.

OP: if you JUST want an ettl2 fill flash, you only need two 622cs: one for the camera hot shoe, one for the remote flash unit. that remote flash can be a) a strobe, in which case it is full manual, or b) an ettl2 flash, in which case it CAN be ettl2 (along with the other ettl2 benefits, such as HSS). that pair of units opens up the world of off camera flash, both ettl2 and manual.

either way, the hotshoe on top of the 622c DOES pass through ettl2 properly. i am sure of this because that's exactly how i use mine: big strobe remotely triggered manually for ambient, on camera speedlight using ettl2 for fill and catchlight. they have been dead reliable for me so far.

Great, I think the only way to order those trigger is on ebay!
Thanks for the infos,really great to know you use the same set up