How to adjust red vibrance/saturation in prints?

So I just bought a Canon Pro 9000 Mark II and Spyder4Pro and my photos seem to be pretty much accurate as far as color and exposure except that my reds seem to be desaturated. I used a target image and some real world tests (ie: printing photos I've taken) but the reds just aren't vibrant.

My current settings are:

Photoshop Manages Colors
Enabled ICC Profiles
sRGB
Relative Coloritmetic

Is there any way I can adjust my color management to pump the reds a little?

Also there seems to be a hint too much orange too, how would I go about adjusting this as well?

Well, easy questions first:

Have you calibrated your monitor?

Then, have you done Soft Proofing in PS? How do the Soft Proof images compare?

tonylong wrote in post #15677497
Well, easy questions first:

Have you calibrated your monitor?

Then, have you done Soft Proofing in PS? How do the Soft Proof images compare?

Yeah I calibrated and I believe it to be correct as the colors are pretty spot on except the reds and oranges. Oranges being too much, reds being too little.

I've used the Soft Proof function and the reds do desaturate a bit but not nearly as much as what they come out like in the prints.

Well, sorry, printing isn't an "exact science"!

While you are waiting for more responses/ideas, my one suggestion would be to see if you can come up with a repeatable "process" that you could dedicate to preparing a print. Record it as an action, and then you can run it prior to printing, although if you will put out images for other media (Web, etc) you may find that the action is over-doing things!

tonylong wrote in post #15677548
Well, sorry, printing isn't an "exact science"!

While you are waiting for more responses/ideas, my one suggestion would be to see if you can come up with a repeatable "process" that you could dedicate to preparing a print. Record it as an action, and then you can run it prior to printing, although if you will put out images for other media (Web, etc) you may find that the action is over-doing things!

Haha yeah.. if it were an exact science I wouldn't be pulling my hairs out right now

Appreciate the help, guess I'll have to do as you suggest for now and do some adjustments in PS to make up for the printer color differences. Thanks!

The action could be as simple as a Hue/Saturation adjustment layer or some such thing...

Alternatively, you could have a preset in Camera Raw and print from there...

When you proof colors in PS do you have "Gamut Warning" checked? Also, what type of paper are you using ... matte, luster, glossy? If I print an image with vibrant colors to matte I usually see a fair bit that's out of gamut, however not nearly as much with glossy.

What rendering intent are you using for Proof Colors and for printing? Try both to see if one does a better job for this particular print.

Only other things I can think of are:

Black point compensation should be checked
Type of paper (media type) should be selected in the printer driver
Print quality = standard or high (not fast). Personally I'd always use the highest quality since I'm never in a hurry for a print.
ICM should be off (manual intensity, color correction = none)

If I toggle on Gamut Warning, some of the reds that are desaturated do get highlighted but not all of them. Using Canon Photo Glossy Plus II.

Using relative colorimetric for both proof colors and printing.

Well, I don't have the printer, maybe someone can chime in who does! And, right now I don't have a functional printer on hand. One thing you could do is upload a pic showing the problem to a "host" so that others could download it and test things out (I recommend YouSendIt.com).

I have the spyder 4 elite so I am not sure the difference in the pro version. I always use the expert console and then run the advanced tests for color accuracy to check my calibration. What luminance setting are you using for calibration? Are you using 6500K?

Gamma is at 2.2 and Luminance at 6500k. I've used the Spyder3 elite software before and it allowed me to adjust each RGB slider independently as well but with this software it seems it's adjusting all of that automatically and creating the profile.

EDIT: Re-did calibration after enabling the advanced preference to use the RGB sliders and the colors seem to be the same with the same saturation issue. I don't imagine its a monitor thing since any adjustment would just cause a color cast where as my problem is a SINGLE color.

catchquan wrote in post #15677801
If I toggle on Gamut Warning, some of the reds that are desaturated do get highlighted but not all of them. Using Canon Photo Glossy Plus II.

Using relative colorimetric for both proof colors and printing.

Did you try Perceptual?

Bob_A wrote in post #15680052
Did you try Perceptual?

Yeah I actually tried perceptual first, didn't come out noticeably different

Maybe you need to get a colorMunki and create your own printer profile or just try to correct the photo prior to printing in Lightroom and save the preset just for printing with that printer. That is the least expensive method. You should try printing a few photos at a lab after soft-proofing with their printer profile and see if their printer matches to your screen. If the lab prints look good you know it is just the slight variation that can occur with different printers and paper and you may just have to create a Photoshop action or Lightroom preset to apply just before sending the file to the Canon printer.