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Just bought an Epson Stylus R3000, need tech help matching workspace to printer

 
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Mar 05, 2013 12:19 |  #1

I have CS5 and a PC with Windows 7. The prints are not matching up what I see on the computer. The print preview is accurate but when it comes out of the printer, it is not matching up. I have done "printer manages color" and "photoshop manages color" and they are doing the same thing. I calibrated my monitor and even got a newer samsung monitor with much better resolution then my previous monitor which was the stock ACER monitor. Yes I calibrated that one as well and still same issues. I have no prob setting Mac to printer from my experience at school but i am stumped from my PC, or is this not an issue. Any help or further questions that need answering for a proper troubleshoot would be great.
I am trying to avert another $100 or so in getting the spider program to calibrate in sync with the printer but I want exhaust all other options before investing more money.




  
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Mar 05, 2013 20:40 |  #2

I've suggested that a mod move this thread to the Raw, Post-Processing and Printing sub-roum.

In the meantime, you are encountering a common issue, I'd suggest you start out with reading some relevant threads:

Color Management:

https://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthre​ad.php?t=707058

Color Problems:

https://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthre​ad.php?t=296149

Printing Tutorial:

https://photography-on-the.net …/showthread.php​?t=1132002

Strange colors when printing:

https://photography-on-the.net …/showthread.php​?t=1280724

Color space colors/settings:

https://photography-on-the.net …/showthread.php​?t=1280989


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Mar 05, 2013 23:49 |  #3

tonylong wrote in post #15681612 (external link)
I've suggested that a mod move this thread to the Raw, Post-Processing and Printing sub-roum.

In the meantime, you are encountering a common issue, I'd suggest you start out with reading some relevant threads:

Color Management:

https://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthre​ad.php?t=707058

Color Problems:

https://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthre​ad.php?t=296149

Printing Tutorial:

https://photography-on-the.net …/showthread.php​?t=1132002

Strange colors when printing:

https://photography-on-the.net …/showthread.php​?t=1280724

Color space colors/settings:

https://photography-on-the.net …/showthread.php​?t=1280989


Sweet!! Thank you for the time to post that. I will look in on it.




  
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Mar 06, 2013 00:09 |  #4

HornsUpPhotographer wrote in post #15682165 (external link)
Sweet!! Thank you for the time to post that. I will look in on it.

Great, and a mod moved the post! Take some "real" time in this sub-forum, there is some great stuff in here!


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Mar 06, 2013 00:33 |  #5

I have the R3000 and have been getting some excellent results from it. I have a few questions/comments for you:

1. Are you soft proofing using the correct paper profile?
2. Are you setting the rendering intent the same for soft proofing and for printing?
3. Ensure ICM is turned OFF in the printer profile and use PS (I use LR) manages colors
4. Set the highest quality in the printer driver
5. Set the correct paper type in the printer driver
6. Set the correct paper for output from LR or PS
7. Use the out of gamut warning in PS (or LR) and correct the out of gamut areas before you print (typically by desaturating the areas flagged as out of gamut).
8. Using LR and my NEC PA series monitor calibrated to a contrast ratio of ~300:1 I get a spot on match when Simulate Paper and Ink is UNCHECKED. Go figure ... I'm used to doing the opposite with my Dell eIPS monitor when using EZPrints (one of Smugmug's labs). This could be a bit monitor/calibration specific, so experiment to see what works best for your setup.
9. What is the lighting like where you are viewing the prints? If your system is set up to have great looking prints hung up in a nice brightly lit room but your viewing the printed output under dim tungsten lighting you could be trying to fix a problem that doesn't exist. :)

Also, when I calibrate my monitor I make sure it's been on for over 1/2 hour before starting my first calibration run then I calibrate about 4-5 times in a row. Again for my NEC (with NEC's calibration system), my delta E seems to improve a bit with each successive calibration. I haven't bother to check to see if the accuracy improvement is just because the puck warms up against the screen or if the new "starting point" helps the software hone in on the optimum result.

I will say that getting matte prints from the R3000 to match what I see on my monitor has been more challenging than for luster or glossy. I think that part of the issue is that I need to have a monitor calibration with a contrast ratio closer to 200:1 that I can switch to prior to soft proofing with a matte paper profile. Matte will also have a lot more out of gamut colors to correct and reflects light differently, so I shouldn't expect the final result to match what I'd see with a glossy or luster print anyway.


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Mar 08, 2013 09:31 |  #6

Bob_A wrote in post #15682234 (external link)
I have the R3000 and have been getting some excellent results from it. I have a few questions/comments for you:

1. Are you soft proofing using the correct paper profile?
2. Are you setting the rendering intent the same for soft proofing and for printing?
3. Ensure ICM is turned OFF in the printer profile and use PS (I use LR) manages colors
4. Set the highest quality in the printer driver
5. Set the correct paper type in the printer driver
6. Set the correct paper for output from LR or PS
7. Use the out of gamut warning in PS (or LR) and correct the out of gamut areas before you print (typically by desaturating the areas flagged as out of gamut).
8. Using LR and my NEC PA series monitor calibrated to a contrast ratio of ~300:1 I get a spot on match when Simulate Paper and Ink is UNCHECKED. Go figure ... I'm used to doing the opposite with my Dell eIPS monitor when using EZPrints (one of Smugmug's labs). This could be a bit monitor/calibration specific, so experiment to see what works best for your setup.
9. What is the lighting like where you are viewing the prints? If your system is set up to have great looking prints hung up in a nice brightly lit room but your viewing the printed output under dim tungsten lighting you could be trying to fix a problem that doesn't exist. :)

Also, when I calibrate my monitor I make sure it's been on for over 1/2 hour before starting my first calibration run then I calibrate about 4-5 times in a row. Again for my NEC (with NEC's calibration system), my delta E seems to improve a bit with each successive calibration. I haven't bother to check to see if the accuracy improvement is just because the puck warms up against the screen or if the new "starting point" helps the software hone in on the optimum result.

I will say that getting matte prints from the R3000 to match what I see on my monitor has been more challenging than for luster or glossy. I think that part of the issue is that I need to have a monitor calibration with a contrast ratio closer to 200:1 that I can switch to prior to soft proofing with a matte paper profile. Matte will also have a lot more out of gamut colors to correct and reflects light differently, so I shouldn't expect the final result to match what I'd see with a glossy or luster print anyway.


Yes on the soft proof and I mainly do glossy. Lots of good stuff I need to consider and I will give it a go this weekend. My lighting at night is not so good. I need to wait until day time to see it from my window, my inside lights are to warm and dim.
Thanks for all advice!




  
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Mar 11, 2013 15:05 as a reply to  @ HornsUpPhotographer's post |  #7

Are you using the correct Black Ink for the type of paper such as "Matt Black" for the matt paper and "Photo Black" for the luster and glossy paper. Refer to pages 43 & 44 in the owner's manual. I use the "Printer Manages Color" setting and it turns out great. I am using PS5 on a Mac


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Mar 11, 2013 20:01 |  #8

Catcherman wrote in post #15703141 (external link)
Are you using the correct Black Ink for the type of paper such as "Matt Black" for the matt paper and "Photo Black" for the luster and glossy paper. Refer to pages 43 & 44 in the owner's manual. I use the "Printer Manages Color" setting and it turns out great. I am using PS5 on a Mac

For printing through LR or PS you shouldn't use Printer Manages Colors IMO, especially if you use the soft proofing feature in LR/PS or if you use non-OEM papers. Epson's Color Management pdf also tells you to use "Photoshop Manages Colors" and to turn off color management in the print driver.

Agree that you need to ensure everything is set up properly so that the correct ink requirement is auto-detected.


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