Still can't get over it 6D autofocus 11 points

sega62 wrote in post #15694779
Why not give people what they need, without taking all their money.

I don't think you have a good grasp of how business works. Canon's goal is to get every last scrap of money they can get out of you.

What you are asking for is a 5D Mark III for the price of a 6D. That sounds great to me too! Unfortunately for us, Canon would rather continue to sell the 5D Mark III at the price of the 5D Mark III. And so long as they can, they will continue to price it accordingly.

The 6D really just follows the long line of Canon pricing strategy. Higher feature cameras are priced higher. Features on lower priced cameras are deliberately held down to encourage people to move upmarket (and give Canon more money).

The only real threat to this strategy can come from other camera makers. Nikon to some extent has challenged Canon's use of AF feature set as a market differentiator by offering their best AF on 'downmarket' bodies like the D300 and D700. Canon responded (slowly in the FF case) with the 7D and 5D Mark III.

From what I see of Canon, they continue to see a good market split between offering with high frame rate + best AF (7D, 5D3) and a cheaper set with slower frame rate + second tier AF (60D, 6D).

Nikon has elected to go in a few different directions, so some comparisons are harder to make. The 5D3 and D800 and certainly moving in different directions.

^Agree with Jeffrey. Their business is to pry every cent they can out of our hands.

I'm sure if Canon felt they could get away with it, they'd continue to make even more lines of DSLR products, there's still 3D's, 4D's, 8D's, 9D's, 10000D's and many more to come!

Edit: And who's to say they aren't already doing/planning all of the above?

sega62 wrote in post #15694822
About the 90% i'm not sure you got the equation right.
I'd go further as saying it's maybe 50% the amount of picture quality when having
a person or something going slightly fast towards you.....or a bird, or ......

I think you missed my point. AF performance and sensor performance are two different things. If you look at the sensor of the MkII, MkIII, and 6D especially comparing raw performance they are for all practical purposes the same sensor. Few pixels here and there but the performance of the sensor is so close to being the same that I would venture a guess that you would have difficulty seeing the difference.
AF performance is a different thing. The MkIII clearly has the best of the three, that's what it was designed to be. The 6D is the best in a different area, low light and accuracy, that is what it was designed to be. The MkII is easily the poorest of the three because it's AF is based on 8 year old technology.

So, want a FF sport shooter but don't want to shell out 6k, then the MkIII is the perfect camera as it's AF was optimized for fast moving objects. Want a low light high accuracy FF body, then the 6D is perfect as that was what it was designed to do. Want to spend the least amount yet get 90% of the other cameras, then the MkII still delivers. No need to whine, you have choices targeted to your need.

I swear, some of you would be happier with 97 mediocre focus points than 1 truly great focus point.

From all reports, the center focus point on the 6D is the class of Canon AF technology.

I own a 6D and I think it focuses really well.

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JeffreyG wrote in post #15694874
I don't think you have a good grasp of how business works. Canon's goal is to get every last scrap of money they can get out of you.

Yeah they are good at that, specially with a recession all over the world....

Nikon to some extent has challenged Canon's use of AF feature set as a market differentiator by offering their best AF on 'downmarket' bodies like the D300 and D700. Canon responded (slowly in the FF case) with the 7D and 5D Mark III.

As you mention, Ni.... gives a good autofocus for the same price, and they are a small cie compare to Canon!


Nikon has elected to go in a few different directions, so some comparisons are harder to make. The 5D3 and D800 and certainly moving in different directions.

gjl711 wrote in post #15694892
So, want a FF sport shooter but don't want to shell out 6k, then the MkIII is the perfect camera as it's AF was optimized for fast moving objects. Want a low light high accuracy FF body, then the 6D is perfect as that was what it was designed to do. Want to spend the least amount yet get 90% of the other cameras, then the MkII still delivers. No need to whine, you have choices targeted to your need.

OK, but I won't shell another $1200 for the 5dIII just for the autofocus, when you could get something similar at lower price, it's like they know you have thousands of dollars and won't jump bandwagon, it's called bad business in my book!

RTPVid wrote in post #15694914
I swear, some of you would be happier with 97 mediocre focus points than 1 truly great focus point.

From all reports, the center focus point on the 6D is the class of Canon AF technology.

Maybe you got something there, but the 7D has good autofocus, why not apply it to the 6D but at a price range of $2250

mclaren777 wrote in post #15694929
I own a 6D and I think it focuses really well.

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Thanks, I'm reading it!

The fact that the 6D only has 11 AF points isn't a big deal, but that only 1 of them is crosstype, is really a shame in my opinion. Even the T4i and 60D, which are a lot cheaper, have 9 crosstype AF points. That's something I can't forgive Canon. Make all the AF points on the 6D crosstype and give them the same spread as the AF points on the 5D3 (but e.g. with mediocre performance when using AI Servo) and people wouldn't have been complaining so much. And the price of the 6D would also have been justified.

jaomul wrote in post #15694794
By all accounts the af in some ways is better than the 5d3, but....

Only in 1 way, the center point is slightly better in low light. In every other aspect, the 5d3 blows away the 6d AF.

RTPVid wrote in post #15694914
I swear, some of you would be happier with 97 mediocre focus points than 1 truly great focus point.

From all reports, the center focus point on the 6D is the class of Canon AF technology.

No, we want a compromise, 11 very good AF points.

sega62 wrote in post #15694746
After reading so many reviews and infos about the Canon 6D, I'm still wondering
who came with this huge mistake, not having a great autofocus on a $2000 camera.

Sure it has GPS, WiFi......got a full frame camera at a neat price, but what
does it give you to have all this mojo without a good autofocus, or should I say a fast and great autofocus.

We all know that the autofocus is a MUST for high end camera, and yet Canon produce
something similar as the 5dmkII that was made 4 years ago.
Its not that its bad, its got competition, its technology that Canon has already, so why not use it.

In my book, they really did not respect the customer, I'd rather have no GPS and get a proper autofocus!

gee......

The 6D does have a great autofocus,better than the 7D IMHO!!! it's just there's only 1 great autofocus point.

jocau wrote in post #15695028
The fact that the 6D only has 11 AF points isn't a big deal, but that only 1 of them is crosstype, is really a shame in my opinion. Even the T4i and 60D, which are a lot cheaper, have 9 crosstype AF points. That's something I can't forgive Canon. Make all the AF points on the 6D crosstype and give them the same spread as the AF points on the 5D3 (but e.g. with mediocre performance when using AI Servo) and people wouldn't have been complaining so much. And the price of the 6D would also have been justified.

Yep, you are right, that is something you NEED when taking pics,

I own the 5dmkII and only the center is great, so I got a lot of manipulation to do to take a pic, maybe I'll wait for the 7D II or maybe a D600.....
I'll see

Hogloff wrote in post #15695036
No, we want a compromise, 11 very good AF points.

yep, 11 is just ok in my book, you don't have to re-frame the damn scene every time!
Got more chance on Servo mode too!

The more limited AF system isn't what I can't stand about the 6d/d600, it's the lack of a pc sync port and a slower flash sync speed that makes both cameras unworkable for me. I NEED that pc sync port and the fastest flash sync I can get.

sega62 wrote in post #15695049
Yep, you are right, that is something you NEED when taking pics,

I own the 5dmkII and only the center is great, so I got a lot of manipulation to do to take a pic, maybe I'll wait for the 7D II or maybe a D600.....
I'll see

Or just go for the 5D3...