even though the 5dc is old...

this is a seminal camera and the second hand market has a couple at really good prices.
one of the benefits of the FF 5dc that i was interested in was its lesser diffraction abilities (esp for macro) but also to get a taste of the 5d goodness.

have people here gone "backwards" to the 5dc? regretted it?
the only thing i can think about that would be missed is the higher iso performance and the lack of view by the LCD....
and if the used camera is "healthy"

anything else?

ceriltheblade wrote in post #15713433
anything else?

AF and clunky menu system.

I have a 7D + 5D. I find the AF fine on static subjects and really enjoy using it, despite having a 7D as well. I rely on the 5D for wide use of my 28-75, and for the shallower DoF I get (using the 28-75 F/2.8, and 85 F/1.8).

Where the 7D still wins (for me):
- AF. Light years ahead of the 5D as soon as something moves. I was surprised by this a little as I have owned older DLSRs and I assumed the 5D would be much like the 20D, but I found it worse. In addition, the AF modes and customisation is significantly better on the 7D.
- Video, liveview, if you use those. I use liveview for astro shots but that's about it.
- The LCD, primarily for image preview. Checking an image for sharpness on the 7D is a beneficial process, doing so on the 5D is somewhat indicative but you can't be 100% sure until you bring it onto the computer.
- For AF reasons I don't use the 5D for action shots anyway, but if I did I would miss the multiple custom models on the dial as I use them on the 7D (i.e. at a recent airshow I had one set up for prop aircraft and another for jets).
- Similar to the above, if I used for action then the speed of the 5D would bother me. FPS, buffer size, etc.
- Pixels on the subject, if reach is a concern.

You have a nice set of lenses, and a 7D + 5D combo would probably work well. I'm unsure why you have a 55-250 still but offloading that might help fund a 5D. Some other thoughts on your lenses:
- The Tamron 28-75 @ 75mm F/2.8 on the 5D will deliver pretty much what you'd get from the 50mm F/1.8 on the 7D (i.e. similar field of view and DoF). You might decide you can get rid of the 50mm, or you might then like the 50mm on the 5D
- If you don't shoot with the UWA much you may decide that 24mm on 5D is wide enough, and offload the 10-22.
- The 100mm will cover a wider field of view on the 5D than 7D. You'll either need to crop more or get closer to your subjects when doing macro (and if already shooting at 1:1 then getting closer is not an option without using your tubes).

I hope I haven't confused matters!

I had 5dmk3 and most of L glass. Had to sell everything recently as I needed money. Now I am back to my old 5dc , 35L and sigma 85mm f1.4. 5dc is really good camera. I never understood why so many folks getting into photography pick those newer rebels over it.

I'm not sure I would go back to only the 5Dc. I shot one for years and it served me very well and at times it would be fun to go back, but at times it was also a frustrating camera especially when manual focusing now that I am use to live view. As a second camera or a fun shoot camera, absolutely especially as some of them pave been priced less the $400.

Also, make sure that the mirror fix recall has been applied though I guess if the mirror has stayed on all these years the chance of it flying off is low.

The 5D is a great camera and those in the know will buy it over a crop. The menu and screen are crap but the images are great. Colour I always found better than the 5D Mk2.

gjl711 wrote in post #15713933
I'm not sure I would go back to only the 5Dc. I shot one for years and it served me very well and at times it would be fun to go back, but at times it was also a frustrating camera especially when manual focusing now that I am use to live view. As a second camera or a fun shoot camera, absolutely especially as some of them pave been priced less the $400.

Also, make sure that the mirror fix recall has been applied though I guess if the mirror has stayed on all these years the chance of it flying off is low.

My mirror fell this Christmas and canon fixed free of charge in couple of days. MF I like it with precisions creen but then I never used LV. Not sure who do you guys shoot at f1.2/f1.4 while looking at a LCD or when glass is heavier.

I love LV. I will never use another camera without it; I use it for every landscape photo I take on a tripod. Makes DOF control and composition so much easier. If my only thing was portraits, then perhaps I'd be ok with the 5Dc.

I too would never go back to a camera without LV or without MFA. Those two features are an absolute must have.

I sold mine recently and honestly, I was a bit ambivalent about it. Great images but slow AF. Heavy but inexpensive (I had bought it used).

If you absolutely need or want FF now and can't afford better, do it. But don't be so quick to discount ISO performance. The 6D that replaced it has made me very, very happy. I shoot handheld in near darkness and people ask, "Why was there no flash?" I show them the shot (with a 50mm 1.4) and they're flabbergasted. That ain't gonna happen with the 5dc though it does have its charm.

thanks for the comments. i was looking to add to my current 7d, not replace it - if that wasn't clear,
phreeky: i still have the 55-250 for a couple reasons: 1.) i hate selling stuff. 2.) it is an excellent lens and light for certain travel situations 3.) my kids have used it too - so i prefer them using that rather than my 70-200
I have the funds for the 5dc and most of the others as well (exception of 1dx), but I was thinking of trying out FF first - since the used 5d2 in my area is still 3 times more expensive, and the 5d3 is 2 times more expensive than that.
so, if i don't like it - i didn't lose money really....and if i do...well, that is reward enough!

gjl71 - thanks for the notation - I had not heard of the issue with the mirror. I will check it out.

LV and MFA are indeed really important - and maybe a good point against it.

Gabriella Ashton - i was under the impression that iso to iso comparison, that the 5dc still held its own. Granted it doesn't do the same range of iso than its bigger brothers.... but that each of the iso 100-200-400-and 800 were as clean if not cleaner than the same iso of the 7d. Am I mistaken?

thanks all

When you look at the 5D classic before purchase, here are 2 pics that will help you determine whether the mirror fix was done or not. Basically, the Canon fix was to glue two additional pieces, one on each side of the mirror that holds the mirror in place against the armatures.

http://stash1.johnvey.​com/images/blog/5d_mir​ror.jpg
http://static.photo.ne​t …/00Y/00YuO7-370549584.jpg

The 5D makes a nice sidekick to the 7D and will give you another creative tool to use in your photographic journey.

Sirrith wrote in post #15713970
I love LV. I will never use another camera without it; I use it for every landscape photo I take on a tripod. Makes DOF control and composition so much easier. If my only thing was portraits, then perhaps I'd be ok with the 5Dc.

Landscapes I assume you guy shooting at f8/f16, so what is the issue if camera has no LV. Just trying to understand.

Gabriella_Ashton wrote in post #15714035
I sold mine recently and honestly, I was a bit ambivalent about it. Great images but slow AF. Heavy but inexpensive (I had bought it used).

If you absolutely need or want FF now and can't afford better, do it. But don't be so quick to discount ISO performance. The 6D that replaced it has made me very, very happy. I shoot handheld in near darkness and people ask, "Why was there no flash?" I show them the shot (with a 50mm 1.4) and they're flabbergasted. That ain't gonna happen with the 5dc though it does have its charm.

How good is the AF on 6d with outer points in that near darkness.?

bobbyz wrote in post #15714421
How good is the AF on 6d with outer points in that near darkness.?

Ya know, I have never shot a 6D (yet) but I'm going to go out on a limb and say they are way better than the outer points of a 5Dc. I don't even think the outer points on a 5Dc work, they are just there for looks. At least that's based on nearly every 5D shooter I have ever met as they use the center point only.