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Mar 17, 2013 13:26 |  #1

Last week I spent several hours trying to get the sky to look right several photos from last fall. I'd work on them in CS4 with ACR & get the sky to have a nice blue look to it but after saving the finished product it always had a purple tint (the sky) in every other viewer program I have, even on my other computers. I decided to try the same photos in whatever old version of DPP I had on my computer & got much nicer results so I've downloaded the current version & re done most of the photos using it & I'm VERY happy with the results. I've also re processed a couple of the same RAW's in CS6 and get the same result as in CS4 PLUS now if I import the jpg created by DPP I get a green cast to the entire image.
Computer used is running XP, & the monitor is a Dell U2410 & I've matched the monitor calibration both colour wise & brightness to the output from my Epson R2880. If it looks right on my monitor it prints right. Is there something I need to set in CS 4 or 6 that dictates how the file is saved as part of the RAW to jpg conversion? From what I can tell I'm saving as sRGB & not as an Adobe RGB file.

These both look right in their appropriate programs (and the sky is as similar as I can make it vs what I think it should look like) before saving to jpgs, but they are very different in Picasa or Irfanview or Faststone

IMAGE: http://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-KN1Gt7iYhD0/UUYF86bi4CI/AAAAAAAARqQ/rVjtycWmI_w/s1024/INGR8930CS6bluesky-001.JPG

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Mar 17, 2013 13:36 |  #2

Two different images. I'm not an expert and it might not make any difference but I'd be comparing the same image for starters.


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Mar 17, 2013 13:45 |  #3

You are right. Not sure how I did that but I'll get it fixed but the result will be the same.

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Mar 17, 2013 14:09 |  #4

The first thing I can think of is to make sure the JPG files are being saved with an embedded color profile. I'm not sure if it's because of the compression required for the forum but the EXIF data for all of the images you have posted shows no color profile. When you're saving in CS6, there should be a checkbox in the Save As window that allows you to embed the current color profile in the image. Without the proper color profile embedded in the image, the colors can look off when you open the photo elsewhere.


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Mar 17, 2013 14:15 |  #5

I thought that might be the problem but you don't get that screen when just saving the images out of ACR. When you process in ACR once you're done it just has a box to click on to SAVE IMAGE or (IMAGES).

Another set of examples. (these were what I was working on & just couldn't get right no matter what I did.

IMAGE: http://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-b-RUVLMCbPk/UUYUwR_gbOI/AAAAAAAARqo/nftTNWZ3T7Y/s1024/INGR8244v4c1.jpg

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Mar 17, 2013 14:26 |  #6

What working space do you use in PS and if it's not sRGB what are your steps for converting the image's profile to sRGB before uploading to the web?


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Mar 17, 2013 14:32 |  #7

FOUND THE PROBLEM. I reloaded the image & clicked on the line under it with the file number & related info. That opened a dialog box where the option to switch to sRGB could be chosen & this is the result.

IMAGE: http://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-NzJioYuZb4M/UUYZD9v6_jI/AAAAAAAARq4/S7pBDisagcQ/s1024/INGR8926CS6blueskysRGB.JPG

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Mar 17, 2013 14:36 |  #8

I was just about to suggest that but you beat me to it! :D Now you know what to do to get the colors to look right.


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Mar 17, 2013 14:47 |  #9

Well that has cured the BIG problem but I just tried another conversion to verify that the program continues to work in sRGB which it does but when i import the converted files into the regular work area I've still got my greenish tint.

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I just opened the above file in CS 6 and got the greenish (& maybe a bit of yellow) tint, did nothing to it but use the SAVE AS option, changed the file name & ticked the check box so it would save as an sRGB file & saved it. The Tint is NOT applied to the saved photo but would be another problem in my processing which I'll need to correct.


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Mar 17, 2013 14:53 |  #10

Does the green tint still remain if you open the RAW file in ACR and then use Open Image so it goes directly to Photoshop?


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Mar 17, 2013 15:05 |  #11

Just confirming, but are you displaying the ACR output (RAW converted to sRGB) or your output after doing further enhancements in Photoshop?

Also, in ACR what are your settings under the Camera Calibration tab? For "Process" you should be using Process 2012. However there will be very different results obtained from the different Profiles. IMO if you are trying to see how things match with DPP then make sure you pick the Profile that Adobe built to emulate the Canon Picturestyle that you're using.

Personally I don't like any of the Canon or Nikon special profiles and prefer to use Adobe Standard for all of my digital cameras (G9, 20D, D700). YMMV


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Mar 17, 2013 15:18 |  #12

Yes the tint was there when going straight to the regular work area.

Process is 2012 & the profile is Adobe Standard which I very rarely change PLUS I'm working from As Shot.

I tried dodging the plane in the sample & that worked without adding the tint to the file so that's going in my favor.


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Mar 17, 2013 16:01 |  #13

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Yes the tint was there when going straight to the regular work area.

Process is 2012 & the profile is Adobe Standard which I very rarely change PLUS I'm working from As Shot.

I tried dodging the plane in the sample & that worked without adding the tint to the file so that's going in my favor.

So if you convert using Adobe Standard in ACR you shouldn't expect the colors to be the same as when converting using DPP ... correct? :)


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Mar 17, 2013 16:23 |  #14

Besides the 2012 process did you select the cameras profile that your camera is set to? I did some tests and Adobe has really come a long way in this area. Skin tones a are still a bit yellower but overall pretty good.

This is DPP faithful and ACR adobe standard. As you can see adobe's helmut is redder.

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Mar 17, 2013 17:44 |  #15

Bob, I don't fully understand your question but my real problem was just the fact I couldn't convert from RAW to a jpg in CS without getting the purplish tint. That's solved thanks to my error in not remembering how to work the files as sRGB's.
The greenish tint I'm now up against is there when I import files processed in either DPP or ACR that have been converted to jpg's I am only using as shot (shot settings) & standard in DPP when processing RAWs. I just imported a jpg from my vacation in Feb (shot as a jpg) which has lots of sky & it also has the tint in the normal work area of CS 6. I just closed CS 6 & opened CS 4 & checked the same photos there & I do not get the color cast. The file looks correct & as I would expect it would based on how they look in Picasa.

I am not trying to get the exact result from ACR & DPP, just something that I consider acceptable based on my memory of the scene or comparable to the jpg saved at the same time. I have a pretty good eye for color thanks to the fact I paint cars as part of my day job & used to have a darkroom that I used for several years back before buying the 20D when it became available.


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