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Mar 17, 2013 13:50 |  #1

Hi,
Been away from forum for a while as a result of having to sell my equipment due to financial reasons.

I had a Rebel XT with battery grip before. I'm now looking to back into the hobby again and trying to decide what body to get. It's between 30D, 40D and 5D if price is right. I know they're all upgrades compared to the Rebel XT I had. Just wondering if I should save money on 30D and put that savings toward lenses. I've tried to research things but all the information it is getting overwhelming. I'll probably be doing mostly still photos such as portraits, scenery, wildlife. I was just getting back into photography when I had to sell my Rebel XT and would have been considered pretty green around the ears and would be at that point again now. It might take me a while to take advantage of full capabilities of whatever I get.

I know the 5D is full frame compared to cropped frame on the other two. Will that make a big difference? Is a battery grip a huge deal to have? What would be good all purpose lens to get to start without breaking the bank.

Sorry for all the questions all at once. Any insights that can be provided would be appreciated.

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Mar 17, 2013 13:52 |  #2

It might be useful if you listed a total budget for lenses and camera.


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Mar 17, 2013 14:12 as a reply to  @ tkbslc's post |  #3

Sorry, I've found a 30D body with grip for $275, 40D body only for $325 and 5D body only for $450, or $500 with grip. I'm leaning towards 30D or 40D as the 5D is bringing me close to my budget and that's without lens. I want to spend $200 or $300 on one general purpose lens for now.


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Mar 17, 2013 14:32 |  #4

40D has liveview and a much improved AF system, so that would get my vote unless you really need the extra $50 to get the lens you want.

I can't think of any good "general purpose" lenses I'd recommend in the $200-300 range, so I'd suggest two lenses - the 18-55 IS and the 55-250 IS. Both are very sharp for the money and have good AF and good image stabilizers. They also focus very close for near-macro type shots. If you can swing another $100 or so, a 50mm f1.8 would be a nice portrait lens.

Honestly the 18-55, 55-250 and 50mm f1.8 lens may be all a hobby/amateur ever needs. It's a very versatile kit.

Battery grips and other optional accessories can wait until you have a basic lens kit covered.


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Mar 17, 2013 15:03 |  #5

wongkw wrote in post #15725059 (external link)
Sorry, I've found a 30D body with grip for $275, 40D body only for $325 and 5D body only for $450, or $500 with grip. I'm leaning towards 30D or 40D as the 5D is bringing me close to my budget and that's without lens. I want to spend $200 or $300 on one general purpose lens for now.

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Mar 17, 2013 23:48 |  #6

You could do a 40d and tamron 17-50 2.8 non is... Can be had on forums for around 300


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Mar 17, 2013 23:52 |  #7

goaliejake22 wrote in post #15726762 (external link)
You could do a 40d and tamron 17-50 2.8 non is

I used that same set up. A very nice kit. I've kept the same lens but I use it on a 7D now. But the 40D is an excellent camera. Arguably one of the best cameras ever made.


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Mar 18, 2013 03:38 |  #8

tkbslc wrote in post #15725115 (external link)
40D has liveview and a much improved AF system, so that would get my vote unless you really need the extra $50 to get the lens you want.

I can't think of any good "general purpose" lenses I'd recommend in the $200-300 range, so I'd suggest two lenses - the 18-55 IS and the 55-250 IS. Both are very sharp for the money and have good AF and good image stabilizers. They also focus very close for near-macro type shots. If you can swing another $100 or so, a 50mm f1.8 would be a nice portrait lens.

Honestly the 18-55, 55-250 and 50mm f1.8 lens may be all a hobby/amateur ever needs. It's a very versatile kit.

Battery grips and other optional accessories can wait until you have a basic lens kit covered.

On a budget i think this ^^^ is the best advice.
I think if you shop around and wait for a good deal you get it for a good price.
$325 for a 40D seems a little high to me, locally where i live i can pick up a 40D and Canon grip + 3 batteries for less than $300.


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Mar 18, 2013 04:21 |  #9

I bought a 30D new when they 1st came out and have been very happy with the pics i get,,recently picked up a 40D LNIB with 1640 shutter clicks ,,and eaxtras for $275..a very nice camera indeed..I like them both,,Yes like a lot of people,,i had to try the new models T3i ,,sold ,not into video and not any better IQ than wifes XSi...Its not so much the camera body as it is THE GLASS you hang on it?? I would say if you want a D line get the 40D..if you would be happy ? with a Rebel get a XSi,,if you need video, then thats a different camera..Thats my 2 cents, Ron




  
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Mar 18, 2013 04:43 |  #10

get the 5D, you won't regret. u can start with cheap lenses (like 28 1.8 or 35 f2 or 50 1.4/1.8 and 85 1.8)


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Mar 18, 2013 10:39 |  #11

mihaii wrote in post #15727172 (external link)
get the 5D, you won't regret. u can start with cheap lenses (like 28 1.8 or 35 f2 or 50 1.4/1.8 and 85 1.8)

That's the problem with full-frame on a budget. Those "cheap" lenses are nearly his entire budget.


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Mar 18, 2013 10:46 as a reply to  @ tkbslc's post |  #12

I upgraded from my 400d body, to the 40d. Best move i did. The 40d is a cracking body for the money.


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Mar 18, 2013 11:02 as a reply to  @ tkbslc's post |  #13

I appreciate all the input everyone has given so far.

I forgot to mention I'm located in Canada. I've tried to price out used bodies locally and $325 was the lowest I could find for a 40D body locally. I looked on eBay and prices were slightly lower but when shipping costs are taken into account, it ends up more.

I would like a full frame camera as I plan on doing portraits and read that full frame is better for that but as mentioned by tkbslc, the lenses would break my budget.

I have not seriously considered the Rebel line though. Should I give them some consideration bearing in mind that I have not handled an SLR regularly in a very long time and have to relearn how to use a camera and take pictures?


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Mar 18, 2013 12:39 |  #14

I'd first advise you to lay out a plan that sets aside plenty of budget for a good lens or two. The lens(es) you choose will make more of a difference than the camera they are used upon. I'd much rather have a quality lens on a cheaper, more entry level camera, than vice versa.

That said, a really good value in a lens is the 28-135 IS that's been sold "in kit" with so many 30, 40, 50Ds over the years. There are a ton of them out there on the used market so it's common in the U.S. to find lightly used ones for around $200 now. I assume it's similar in Canada (or you could buy in the U.S. and have it shipped there). It's a good lens and a convenient range of focal lengths for walk-around. It compares very favorably to the far more expensive 24-105L, in all respects except build/sealing/long term durability. Though the 28-135 was sold in kit with a lot of cameras and dates back to the days of film (so is FF compatible, too), it's far better lens than most "kit" lenses... Mid-grade "Gold Stripe" build, EF, USM, FTM, IS, near macro MFD (about 1:5, or closer w/macro extension tubes) and more make a real bargain on the used market.

Some will say that 28-135 isn't a good range of focal lengths on a crop camera. I disagree. I like the "standard to moderate telephoto" it provides and find it very convenient (especially when paired up with another high value lens, my Tokina 12-24/4). The 28-135 is sort of the Rodney Dangerfield of lenses. It "don't get no respect", probably just because there are so many of them around. I've used three different ones over they years and rebought one a couple years ago as a backup to my 24-70, to have available as a loaner, and sometimes to use when hiking (and I just don't want the weight of 24-70 and 70-200 lenses). I paid $250 for it (off Amazon), shipping included, used but like new with the matched lens hood and a $75 72mm B+W MRC "protection" filter (which I promptly removed but like to have avail. if needed). I see them on my local Craigslist often, for as low as $200... sometimes with accessories. And I know more than a few pros who use them rather than shelling out 4X as much for an L that doesn't take any better photos. Check it out and compare for yourself here (external link), if interested.

For portraiture in particular, the 28-135 can do pretty well (on 7D here)...

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But you may want a larger aperture prime to be able to blur down backgrounds more. I use a 50/1.4 a lot on crop cameras (in this case on a 30D)...

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But that might be more than you want to spend. The 50/1.8 II is close in image quality (but not build quality or AF performance) for very few dollars. It's the cheapest lens Canon offers, sells new for just over $100 US and can be found used for under $100.

Unfortunately, when it comes to prime lenses, one is rarely enough! You might find yourself wanting some others, such as 85mm for portraiture (on 30D in this example)...

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Or 300mm for birds...

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Or that same 300mm plus a 1.4X teleconverter for wildlife (7D)...

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Or a 20mm for a wider scenic shot (on 50D)...

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There aren't many truly wide primes for crop cameras, so for scenic shots you'll probably find yourself getting a an ultrawide zoom like my Tokina 12-24mm (here at 15mm on 7D)...

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Enough about lenses...

Now some thoughts about cameras....

30D might still be fine as a first DSLR. They are quite capable and fun to shoot with. However, you have already done the first DSLR "thing" with your Rebel XT. 30D is about the same generation, same sensor and image quality as the XT. 30D would be an upgrade in build quality and give you somewhat better AF, but I'd suggest...

Get a 40D... It's only a slight increase in resolution (10MP vs 8MP), but also 14 bit (vs 12 bit) which helps with image quality in a number of subtle ways. It's also good for about a stop higher ISO.

Or stretch a little more for a 50D (15MP and also 14 bit, as are all subsequent models), which would likely be usable a few years longer before you feel the need upgrade again. 40D and 50D are very similar in most respects other than image resolution. Some people like the 40D's image better, but really the 50D is every bit as good. It's just a matter of proper post processing, how the images are shot and how the images are used. 50D images need more sharpening. And people make the mistake of pixel peeping at same level of magnification, even after going to a higher resolution camera. On most modern computer monitors, viewing an image from your XT at 100% is sort of like looking a 3 foot wide print. Looking at a 50D file on the same monitor at the same 100% is like looking at more than 4 foot with image from the same distance. Higher rez cameras also tend to have stronger anti alias filters, so images need more sharpening (50D's AA filter is not terribly strong, though... not nearly as strong as the 18MP 7D's, for example).

If shooting JPEGs only, mostly just posting images online at Internet resolutions, either 40D and 50D will do well and you might as well save a little money and get the 40D. If shooting RAW and wanting to work with your images in Photoshop or whatever, to get the last little bit out of your pics and make larger prints with them, the 50D would be preferrable. More resolution also can help make for smoother gradations (nice for portraiture, among other things).... and it allows for more cropping (which can be helpful at times with wildlife, among other things). The 50D has Micro Adjust that allows you to fine tune focus of up to 20 different lenses, along with a few other features 40D lacks. Both 40D and 50D have self cleaning sensor, which 30D doesn't have. They also have easily interchangeable focus screens, which 30D lacks.

Considering your budget, I'd stay clear of full frame for now. Yes, a lens kit for full frame tends to cost more, plus often end's up being larger and heavier. There are simply fewer FF compatible lenses to choose among.... while crop cameras can use both. Of course, the one lens I recommended happens to be FF capable (it's fine, but better on a crop camera, IMO, using the sweetest part of the optics).

The battery/vertical grip is optional. I use them on all my cameras both for the additional battery (doubling shooting time) and for the vertical controls. They also help balance when using larger lenses. But, a camera is perfectly usable without a grip mounted... so it's something you can wait on or buy right away, and comes down to personal preference. I do prefer cameras with removeable grips, so I can lighten up if needed when hiking with my gear (though I must admit I can't recall the last time I took the grip off one of my cameras and left it at home for that reason).

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Mar 18, 2013 14:30 |  #15

Of the cameras you mentioned, I like the 5D because with the weaker anti alias filter the pictures are so much sharper. I just really enjoyed that aspect of the camera.


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