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Mar 28, 2013 15:51 |  #46

waterrockets wrote in post #15765277 (external link)
That's another point of using a smartphone for this though. It's on the Interenet while it's in your pocket. If you're somewhere remote, then it will upload while you're driving home. If they're not waiting until they get home, then they have mobile Internet access on the tablet anyway.

I'm not saying it isn't annoying. I'm just saying using online backup isn't always possible, especially on a tablet. I'm sure people using tablets do so because those screens make their images look better than they really are...except they don't realize their images aren't as good as the screen makes them look.


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Mar 28, 2013 15:58 |  #47

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I'm not saying it isn't annoying. I'm just saying using online backup isn't always possible, especially on a tablet. I'm sure people using tablets do so because those screens make their images look better than they really are...except they don't realize their images aren't as good as the screen makes them look.

Hmm, maybe they don't and maybe they do (kind of like using our DSLR LCDs for "chimping"...

The question to me is, shouldn't these venues like the OP mentioned begin putting some "rules" in place? It's pretty common for venues to prevent flash, and even to prevent "consumers" from bringing in "professional"-type of cameras. Why shouldn't they put out similar rules for iPads?

'Course some more "personal" events like weddings or perhaps even like the school play may have some "awkward moments" trying to "impose" those rules, I don't know, but I'd think there would be a lot of support if, say, before the start of the event that one of the "responsible" people made a public announcement that iPad photography is "against the rules"!


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Mar 28, 2013 16:02 |  #48

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Hmm, maybe they don't and maybe they do (kind of like using our DSLR LCDs for "chimping"...

The question to me is, shouldn't these venues like the OP mentioned begin putting some "rules" in place? It's pretty common for venues to prevent flash, and even to prevent "consumers" from bringing in "professional"-type of cameras. Why shouldn't they put out similar rules for iPads?

'Course some more "personal" events like weddings or perhaps even like the school play may have some "awkward moments" trying to "impose" those rules, I don't know, but I'd think there would be a lot of support if, say, before the start of the event that one of the "responsible" people made a public announcement that iPad photography is "against the rules"!

People would ignore it, just like they already do with their phones at concerts. There comes a point where you're just wasting time and energy and creating a bad us vs them vibe for no actual gain.


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Mar 28, 2013 16:17 |  #49

cdifoto wrote in post #15766371 (external link)
People would ignore it, just like they already do with their phones at concerts. There comes a point where you're just wasting time and energy and creating a bad us vs them vibe for no actual gain.

Well, I get your point, I'm just not so agreeable with the "point of view":)!

I've been in movie theaters where the staff enforces the "no cell phone" rule, and before the staff moves in the movie watchers around the "offender" step in to quiet the noise. It seems to work in movie theaters (I can't imagine iPads being allowed to "film" the movie)...


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Mar 28, 2013 16:20 |  #50

I'm just a pessimist when it comes to human behavior anymore.


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Mar 28, 2013 16:28 |  #51

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I'm just a pessimist when it comes to human behavior anymore.

Heh! I understand...:)!


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Mar 28, 2013 23:10 as a reply to  @ tonylong's post |  #52

My G/F has a decent point and shoot but never uses it, except when we are on holiday. The rest of the time she used here iPad. She is just taking snapshots of herself/her friends or silly stuff she sees, so the quality isn't important.... but boy are the shots crap.


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Mar 29, 2013 08:10 |  #53

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I recently went to my 4 year old sons pre-school play. It was really cute, except for all the people holding up their Ipads in front of me video taping their kids and blocking everyones view... Anyone else encounter this or think it's rude?

To top it off, most were holding the Ipad vertically, going to look real good on your flat screen!

Those with long memories may recall another unit that was used in an identical fashion. In the late 1900's Sony marketed a very popular digital camera, the Mavica. (external link) That camera owed much of its popularity to its simple storage method, using then-popular 3.5" floppy discs rather than the era's expensive memory cards. Because most Mavicas had only a single large LCD on the back, (external link) to frame an image, it was necessary to hold the camera up in the air and aim it while looking at the LCD, just like iPads.

At that time, "real" photographers, who used film cameras with smaller reflex viewfinders, ridiculed the people who used Mavicas because the Sonys weren't "real cameras" like their film SLR's. It seems that nothing has changed since the 1990's.




  
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Mar 29, 2013 08:26 |  #54

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Those with long memories may recall another unit that was used in an identical fashion. In the late 1900's Sony marketed a very popular digital camera, the Mavica. (external link) That camera owed much of its popularity to its simple storage method, using then-popular 3.5" floppy discs rather than the era's expensive memory cards. Because most Mavicas had only a single large LCD on the back, (external link) to frame an image, it was necessary to hold the camera up in the air and aim it while looking at the LCD, just like iPads.

At that time, "real" photographers, who used film cameras with smaller reflex viewfinders, ridiculed the people who used Mavicas because the Sonys weren't "real cameras" like their film SLR's. It seems that nothing has changed since the 1990's.

You've completely missed the point.

This complaint has nothing to do with the quality of the camera being used. Have you ever sat behind someone holding up an ipad to capture images/video in a dark room?


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Mar 29, 2013 09:05 |  #55

Ipad photographers should have no rights at all....




  
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Mar 29, 2013 10:33 |  #56

waterrockets wrote in post #15768485 (external link)
You've completely missed the point.

This complaint has nothing to do with the quality of the camera being used. Have you ever sat behind someone holding up an ipad to capture images/video in a dark room?

That's okay, most of the people who posted missed your point. They were too busy ridiculing people to understand what your complaint was.




  
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Mar 29, 2013 10:44 |  #57

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1080p video, 5MP stills on the current one.

But heavily compressed; not nearly the quality you'll get from blu-ray or broadcast HD video. You may not see the difference on a screen the size of the iPad, but if you send it to a big screen TV, you'll see the artifacts big time.


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Mar 29, 2013 10:47 |  #58

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But heavily compressed; not nearly the quality you'll get from blu-ray or broadcast HD video. You may not see the difference on a screen the size of the iPad, but if you send it to a big screen TV, you'll see the artifacts big time.

Broadcast HD is often suspect as well, if it's not OTA. I the cable/satellite company doesn't think you're watching anything particularly important, the compression gets pretty bad in a hurry.

You're right about the portable device HD. Just because something is in 1080p format says nothing about it's quality. No different than some of the JPEG hosting we see on POTN.


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Mar 29, 2013 10:48 |  #59

tonylong wrote in post #15766353 (external link)
Hmm, maybe they don't and maybe they do (kind of like using our DSLR LCDs for "chimping"...

The question to me is, shouldn't these venues like the OP mentioned begin putting some "rules" in place? It's pretty common for venues to prevent flash, and even to prevent "consumers" from bringing in "professional"-type of cameras. Why shouldn't they put out similar rules for iPads?

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Of course at a wedding, there is one person whose word is law, and that's the bride. If she says "no tablet photography during the ceremony", I think it could be made to stick. Any other situation, you're probably correct...


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Mar 29, 2013 10:50 |  #60

waterrockets wrote in post #15768928 (external link)
Broadcast HD is often suspect as well, if it's not OTA. I the cable/satellite company doesn't think you're watching anything particularly important, the compression gets pretty bad in a hurry.

You're right about the portable device HD. Just because something is in 1080p format says nothing about it's quality. No different than some of the JPEG hosting we see on POTN.

Good point; when I said "broadcast", I was specifically referring to over-the-air. I have an antenna rather than any kind of cable/paid TV, and the quality difference is noticeable.


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