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Mar 27, 2013 16:49 |  #1

I want to either get a publisher for a photobook I want to get published or if that avenue don't work self-publish... which I did look into such as Blurb.com, but I'm not a fan of a middleman service such as blurb (they charge commission and look for the printer)... so I tried searching everywhere, more specifically for local printers, didn't find any that prints hard cover books... I did print one sample from mpixpro.com but they don't support bulk discounts and I need bulk discounts for a savings to lower the price for potential customers can afford the book at $40-$50 ranges.

Any advice that would help me get either a publisher or a printer to self-publish (hard cover with bulk discounts) would be nice ;)


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Mar 27, 2013 17:08 |  #2

i know nothing about getting published, but i use blurb a lot. they are the printer and they do offer volume discounts, both for printing and for shipping. their turnaround time is pretty quick, as well.

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Mar 27, 2013 21:19 |  #3

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Mar 27, 2013 23:00 |  #4
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Try finding a local publisher. Vanity press and self-publishing is not cheap, nor is it easy to market. Putting a book together is the easy part: selling it, that's the hard one.


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Mar 28, 2013 03:35 |  #5

skippix wrote in post #15762801 (external link)
i know nothing about getting published, but i use blurb a lot. they are the printer and they do offer volume discounts, both for printing and for shipping. their turnaround time is pretty quick, as well.

http://www.blurb.com/v​olume-orders (external link)

from what I researches blurb sends out a bulletin to local printers of the orders and printers bid or something on that...

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Try finding a local publisher. Vanity press and self-publishing is not cheap, nor is it easy to market. Putting a book together is the easy part: selling it, that's the hard one.

I know, any suggestions cause none of the local publishers do any photobooks from what I see but I've researched those publishers (not local, but same country) that do publish photobooks and didn't get any responses via email communication.

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I was very happy at first, then found out they do not offer hard cover printing... thanks though, hopefully they get hard cover printing in the near future...


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Mar 28, 2013 04:14 |  #6

ChrisAdval wrote in post #15764332 (external link)
from what I researches blurb sends out a bulletin to local printers of the orders and printers bid or something on that...

interesting. i did not know that. even so, i've been using them for years, and have been quite satisfied with their quality, prices, and customer service.


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Mar 28, 2013 17:05 |  #7

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Mar 29, 2013 08:47 |  #8

ChrisAdval wrote in post #15764332 (external link)
I know, any suggestions cause none of the local publishers do any photobooks from what I see but I've researched those publishers (not local, but same country) that do publish photobooks and didn't get any responses via email communication.

Who are the publishers you have contacted?

Having spent time in publishing I can tell you that if it's someone that anyone's heard of they will not respond to you. They get pitched ideas and manuscripts constantly.

If you're an unknown and looking to market something with very limited appeal your only option is folks like blurb or the like.

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Mar 30, 2013 22:03 |  #9

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Who are the publishers you have contacted?

Having spent time in publishing I can tell you that if it's someone that anyone's heard of they will not respond to you. They get pitched ideas and manuscripts constantly.

If you're an unknown and looking to market something with very limited appeal your only option is folks like blurb or the like.

-Fernando

don't remember most, just remember the one I really wanted was National Geographic but they responded saying they do not accept manuscript, then I responded with its not a manuscript since my photobook has no words, just copyright info/credits and photos...no response after I sent that... I pretty sure I am considered an unknown outside of my region of my state...


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Mar 30, 2013 23:37 |  #10
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When a publisher says he 'does not accept a manuscript' he's telling you, quite politely, he's not interested in publishing any of your works, for whatever reason. Probably 'submissions' would have been the word NG shoulda used, but since it's a 'book', 'manuscript' is rather appropriate in their lingo. I'd advise not to get smart with a publisher, or he won't take you in the least bit seriously.

In order for any of the big fishes to consider you, they have to know you or know about you (i.e. seen your work around). Publishers are in the business to make money: with every book they publish they are taking a big chance, and they want as much assurance as can be had that they will not only recover their investment, but will turn a profit. Being considered by a smaller publisher might even be harder, as they actually stand a higher risk of going bankrupt if one of their projects fails.

I'd suggest sending submissions to magazines for starters, maybe even as a volunteer collaborator. Which magazines, well, that depends on your area of photographic specialty: if you shoot landscapes, try Outdoor Photography, for example. Even so, you need to start local. Look up any magazines in your city and see if they need a photographer or accept submissions. Sometimes they advertise in the jobs online classifieds, looking for photographers. They pay a pittance, but as long as you maintain the copyright of your images, it might not be a bad place to start. Do the assignments and your work will get around; you'll earn experience in the process, not only photographical, but in the area of dealing with clients as well.


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Mar 31, 2013 14:16 |  #11

ChrisAdval wrote in post #15774003 (external link)
don't remember most, just remember the one I really wanted was National Geographic but they responded saying they do not accept manuscript, then I responded with its not a manuscript since my photobook has no words, just copyright info/credits and photos...no response after I sent that... I pretty sure I am considered an unknown outside of my region of my state...

Please tell me you didn't actually respond that way. If so you came across as either an archaic pedant or someone completely out of touch in the publishing industry and that email (if it was an email) was forwarded and shared with other publishers for a laugh.

In publishing anything you submit, regardless of content is a manuscript.

What you submitted is an unsolicited manuscript.

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