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Apr 01, 2013 23:18 |  #46

Hey, at least unlike woodworking tools, if you give a rank amateur the best they won't just cut there fingers off.

But giving a beginner any good tool will not make them skilled. In some cases, as above, the bigger and better could mean the more likely to be injured.


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Apr 01, 2013 23:20 |  #47

It's the gear right?

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Apr 01, 2013 23:21 |  #48

OP, almost none of the gear you have listed was used by HCB.
But his pictures will stay forever, because he was the artist who learned and mastered not only composition, but the moment.
So, at this moment you knew something about gear, but not about photography.
But nobody is perfect.


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Apr 01, 2013 23:25 |  #49

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Not all types of photography is about creativity...

Bifs, airshows, sports photography etc are all about 'getting the shot'.

In those situation, gear is just as important as skills, creativity means very little if any.

Try giving a pro a XTi + 18-55 kit lens vs a noob with 1DX + 70-200II to shoot an indoor basketball match. I bet the noob with half a brain will most likely produce better results than the pro...

I had to re-read this, because the first time I read it I had trouble believing that someone really wrote it.

Birds in flight. Airshows. Sports. Yes, it is about "getting the shot". But that shot that you get - how compelling is it? How beautiful is it? That is the important thing. Just "getting the shot" means little (or nothing) if that shot is not appealing.

Let's take a few moments to think thru the creativity needed to take great images of birds in flight. Just getting a picture of a bird in flight is no great accomplishment, if the resultant image is not compelling and/or beautiful.

It takes artistic vision to determine what background you want to have behind the bird. It takes creativity to know whether or not some motion blur will be aesthetically appealing, and, if so, just how much motion blur.

It takes creativity to know when to shoot wide and when to shoot tight . . . and exactly how wide or how tight to shoot. Sometimes you want to include several of the birds. Sometimes you want to include only a single bird. Perhaps you want to include only two birds - a pair, male and female.

Sometimes you want to include a certain amount of "habitat" around the bird. If you're shooting wide to include some more of the surroundings, you usually want more room in front of the bird - but not always. The photographer's creative vision determines when to comply with such rules and when to break them.

Light? Well, there are times when a creative photographer will want to have the flying bird backlit or side-lit. This could be based on particularities of the species of bird being photographed - it is up to the photographer to know both the ambient light and the various birds well enough to instantly recognize if a particular species would benefit from soft side-lighting, or classic front-lighting . . . or when to use straight-away backlight to create a true silhouette image.

Often times, the photographer can determine which direction he/she photographs the flying bird from. Birds must take off and land into the wind. Many birds have routes that they fly over and over again - such as from one favorite perch to another. Other times a photographer will be shooting birds on the flush - the direction from which the birds are approached will often have an affect on which direction they fly when they take off. A photographer who knows exactly how he wants the light to fall upon the bird will use this knowledge to set up in a place that will put the birds at the right angle.

A good photographer will not just go out looking for a bird in flight, then aim the camera at the bird and snap the photo. So much more goes into it than that, if the photographer is a true creative who envisions his/her images beforehand and then attempts to create what is in his/her mind's eye. This is the very essence of creativity.

Oh, yeah - the basketball game you mentioned. Do you really think the novice with better gear will get better images than the pro with inferior gear? How will the novice know where to shoot from? How will he know when to get down as low as possible, placing the camera on the floor itself and shooting up at the action? And how will he know when he should be shooting from a kneeling position? From a standing position?

How will he know how to time his shot so as to achieve some separation between the main subject and the players in the background? If he is paying attention to the background players, will he have the skills to keep the active AF point on the main subject, and not allow it to wander off-target?

How will he know when the most aesthetically appealing image will be taken from a head-on view, with the ballhandler driving straight at the camera . . . and when it would be better to shoot the same action from a side view?

How will he know, when photographing a player in a light colored jersey, to align him with the darker background elements? And, conversely, to shoot a player with a darker colored uniform (or with darker skin) against the lighter background elements?

I could go on and on and on with these types of specifics. There is a great need for photographic experience and artistic vision when it comes to creating excellent images of sports action. And with airshows. And with birds in flight. Gear is so much less significant than that.


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Apr 01, 2013 23:32 |  #50

Your far more generous to take the time to write that answer Tom. well done.
Me I'm still imagining the OP getting his shirt tail caught in a very high end metal lathe.


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Apr 02, 2013 01:43 |  #51

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #15781296 (external link)
Your far more generous to take the time to write that answer Tom. well done.
Me I'm still imagining the OP getting his shirt tail caught in a very high end metal lathe.

Totally agree!


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Apr 02, 2013 02:57 as a reply to  @ post 15780367 |  #52

Creativity and Skills are essential. But adequate gears are needed to to achieve certain image quality.

HOWEVER, today most people have overkilled gears.




  
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Apr 02, 2013 03:04 |  #53

gh patriot wrote in post #15780667 (external link)
If gear didn't matter I could have saved 20K and shot weddings with my Galaxy SIII.

OMG that just made my day!




  
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Apr 02, 2013 03:08 |  #54

gh patriot wrote in post #15780667 (external link)
If gear didn't matter I could have saved 20K and shot weddings with my Galaxy SIII.

And I'm sure you would still have gotten better results than a complete beginner with your current gear.


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Apr 02, 2013 03:15 |  #55

Come on, lay off the beginners. They shouldn't even be in the topic of discussions. All I'm saying is that gears do matter! Especially software! Give a pro adequate gear or give a pro a Samsung Galaxy SIII. The pro with the gear will definitely come out on top!




  
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Apr 02, 2013 04:01 |  #56

DutchinCLE wrote in post #15780342 (external link)
http://www.flickr.com …in/set-72157629390099680/ (external link)

Was taken with a 400D and EF-S18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 by a GREAT photographer. 1600+ favorites on flickr and all kinds of awards.


Yea, and with an "ND10000" filter... (don't really know what ND filter, but not ND3 for sure)
Take away that filter, and the image would be nowhere near as impressive.


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Apr 02, 2013 04:46 |  #57

Gear does matter. If creativity and skill are important, it doesn't mean that gear are not important. All of them matters especially the gear. More gears gives you more creativity and improves your skill.

You can still create outstanding photos with a not-so-good gear but not as good as a pro gear.


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Apr 02, 2013 05:40 |  #58

Man, Tom wrote a novel.

I didn't read all of this in it's entirety so sorry if this is a repeat, but here are my thoughts.

First off. I personally feel that there are some terms that are being freely exchanged that shouldn't be. Pro/expert and amateur/beginner/noob. Simply because a person does not make a living with a camera in hand, doesn't mean that they are a beginner. An amateur can be an expert at the camera, but chooses to make a living elsewhere. On the flip side, just because a person makes money from photography doesn't eliminate them from being a moron about the camera.

That said, I do agree with the OP. IF you have 2 people who have complete understanding of the camera the same assignment with way different gear ability.. the better gear will get the better images.

The twist in an example as best I can: give a seasoned professional air-show photographer older kit gear and a knowledgeable amateur photographer but airshow novice any gear that he wants and tell them to simply "document the event"... I would still put my money on the pro. Sure, the amateur may be able to get crisp close up shots of the planes in flight, but I would bet that would be the only focus of the photos (heh). The pro would probably just alter his subjects based on the gear that he has available.

Experience and vision does trump gear. However, all other things equal, gear selection does matter.


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Apr 02, 2013 08:21 |  #59

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #15781296 (external link)
Your far more generous to take the time to write that answer Tom. well done.
Me I'm still imagining the OP getting his shirt tail caught in a very high end metal lathe.

Ouch!


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Apr 02, 2013 08:30 |  #60

JuvarAbrera wrote in post #15781776 (external link)
... More gears gives you more creativity and improves your skill.

I don't believe either is true. Creativity is in your mind, skill is in your brain (and hands, to some extent).

More gear just gives you more options.


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