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Apr 02, 2013 17:27 |  #91

dasher108 wrote in post #15784178 (external link)
Darn it that is what I thought too!! I took my Rebel apart, and only found two gears inside. Do I need more skill?

The gears need more skill at hiding from you, and Canon needs more creativity to keep people from taking their cameras apart.


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Apr 02, 2013 17:42 |  #92

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When I said it can be argued that gear can make up for a lack of skill, I meant in technical terms, and by no means does any of it make you a better photographer. In photography, what is skill? The skill to expose a frame, without a meter, and nail it 90% of the time? The ability to quickly and accurately manual focus? The ability to handhold a camera at 1/15 and get a sharp image? These are things I would label skills, and there is techie stuff out there that will do all of it for you. With today's camera technology, less skill is needed to take an image that, would have required a whole lot more skill with analog equipment. And none of this will make someone a better photographer, whether the camera does the work or they do, all it does is enable them to be consistent in capturing properly exposed, in focus images.




  
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Apr 02, 2013 18:38 |  #93

The camera is simply a tool to convey an idea. Just like a pencil, or pen or paintbrush or computer program can be a tool. The most talented Artists can communicate his message clearly with any tool.



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Apr 02, 2013 18:44 |  #94

mattertea wrote in post #15784466 (external link)
The camera is simply a tool to convey an idea. Just like a pencil, or pen or paintbrush or computer program can be a tool. The most talented Artists can communicate his message clearly with any tool.

Once they master that tool.....;)




  
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Apr 02, 2013 18:49 |  #95

gear only gets you part way....Creativity is the bulk of it


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Apr 02, 2013 18:50 |  #96

i give up! i cant find the gears you guys are talking about!! does it look like differential or transmission gears??? :p




  
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Apr 02, 2013 19:24 |  #97

The post that opened this thread had a chip-on-shoulder tone from the get-go. That's all I'm going to say about that.


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Apr 02, 2013 19:32 |  #98

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #15783830 (external link)
Dare I use it?

Oh, why not!?

bw!

It's true. A lot of shooters out there don't know a thing about light. :)

TooManyShots wrote in post #15783894 (external link)
Who needs lights when you can get nose free photos from ISO 128000 and shooting with a F1 glass. :) Is all about the gear.....

Hehe! You joke about it now but, tech is changing so fast that we will one day be shooting a clean ISO 102,400. :)




  
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Apr 02, 2013 19:59 |  #99

Clean 100k.... that would be the day....




  
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Apr 02, 2013 21:02 |  #100

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It's true. A lot of shooters out there don't know a thing about light. :)


Hehe! You joke about it now but, tech is changing so fast that we will one day be shooting a clean ISO 102,400. :)

Learn to see light. Heres what two of the greats had to say about flash. The older I get the more I understand what they are saying. I am an old studio guy and a recovering strobist. Still use them but only when they are the only real answer.

"Today's photographers think differently. Many can't see real light anymore. They think only in terms of strobe - sure, it all looks beautiful but it's not really seeing. If you have the eyes to see it, the nuances of light are already there on the subject's face. If your thinking is confined to strobe light sources, your palette becomes very mean - which is the reason I photograph only in available light." - Alfred Eisenstaedt

"Avoid making a commotion, just as you wouldn’t stir up the water before fishing. Don’t use a flash out of respect for the natural lighting, even when there isn’t any."- Henri Cartier-Bresson




  
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Apr 03, 2013 02:47 |  #101

There is the cycle not yet mentioned yet
Gearhead gets new expensive gear (unlikely step follows)
Gearhead uses gear
Due to gearhead using gear (opposed to discussing it), he gets better at photography
Gearhead claims its his better gear that caused his photography to improve, not the practice.




  
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Apr 03, 2013 06:26 |  #102

airfrogusmc wrote in post #15785008 (external link)
Learn to see light. Heres what two of the greats had to say about flash. The older I get the more I understand what they are saying. I am an old studio guy and a recovering strobist. Still use them but only when they are the only real answer.

"Today's photographers think differently. Many can't see real light anymore. They think only in terms of strobe - sure, it all looks beautiful but it's not really seeing. If you have the eyes to see it, the nuances of light are already there on the subject's face. If your thinking is confined to strobe light sources, your palette becomes very mean - which is the reason I photograph only in available light." - Alfred Eisenstaedt

"Avoid making a commotion, just as you wouldn’t stir up the water before fishing. Don’t use a flash out of respect for the natural lighting, even when there isn’t any."- Henri Cartier-Bresson

Amen. :)




  
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Apr 03, 2013 07:36 |  #103

Both are important. The photographer, way more.

Give someone (who knows only how to use the equipment) amazing gear and tell him to shoot a wedding. You'll see what happens then.


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Apr 03, 2013 08:17 |  #104

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Give someone (who knows only how to use the equipment) amazing gear and tell him to shoot a wedding. You'll see what happens then.

If the best photographer in the world came to my wedding armed with a P&S, I would tell him to go away, and then sue him later.

We're going around in circles. Both are important. Anyone who tries to say one is more important than the other is missing the point imo.


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Apr 03, 2013 08:19 |  #105

airfrogusmc wrote in post #15785008 (external link)
Learn to see light. Heres what two of the greats had to say about flash. The older I get the more I understand what they are saying. I am an old studio guy and a recovering strobist. Still use them but only when they are the only real answer.

"Today's photographers think differently. Many can't see real light anymore. They think only in terms of strobe - sure, it all looks beautiful but it's not really seeing. If you have the eyes to see it, the nuances of light are already there on the subject's face. If your thinking is confined to strobe light sources, your palette becomes very mean - which is the reason I photograph only in available light." - Alfred Eisenstaedt

"Avoid making a commotion, just as you wouldn’t stir up the water before fishing. Don’t use a flash out of respect for the natural lighting, even when there isn’t any."- Henri Cartier-Bresson

A bit rich coming from guys who photographed what they want when they wanted to - both were PJ's, not commercial or wedding photographers

Not that applicable for wedding photographer who is asked by their client to photograph in a particular venue, with a particular background, expecting fashiony, flattering and brilliant looking results

I very rarely use flash, but understand that it's yet another tool that can be employed - I warn against over interpreting isolated quotes as a manual for photography


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