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Is any one of you uses BUR quote scheme.

 
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Apr 02, 2013 08:13 |  #1

Hi guys,

I just wanted to ask if anyone here or over in USA uses the BUR (basic usage rate) quote scheme, and if you do or not what do you think of it. To me personally looks quite reasonable from the photographer point of view but on the other hand it looks a bit complicated to understand and I'm worried that now days most of the clients won't be interested in something so complicated. Any way share your thoughts about the BUR here please.
Here is some overview of how it works.
http://www.ampimage.co​m/bur.htm (external link)

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Apr 02, 2013 08:46 |  #2

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Sorry. Never heard of BUR!


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Apr 02, 2013 09:18 |  #3

it looks interesting and comprehensive. i think it could be summarized to a client as "our fees are based on what it costs to produce the images you want and how you want to use them. we'll just run through our checklist and we'll be able to figure out this out pretty easily."

that being said, the complicated part for the photographer is to come up with realistic cost-of-doing-business pricing for all those items. if you do that, then you could come up with the basic BUR number just using a spreadsheet.

the usage part is the hard part. the "how long, what usages, what territory" is easy. coming up with acceptable percentages that will work for both the photographer and the client will take some work. the point of this (and any calculator, for that matter) is for the photographer to have some sort of standardized pricing mechanism that allows for quick, fair, and reasonable quotes that don't take hours or days to develop.

the client is just looking for a number that makes sense, not an education into all the vagaries of pricing. it's our job as salespeople to give them both in such a way that they can decide in our favor.

i have found the hardest thing is getting a client to accept any notion of "industry standard pricing" when it comes to licensing, especially if they have been dealing with photographers that have only billed based on the actual time they spent shooting. if someone has never been exposed to licensing fees, they often are inclined to find a shooter that will do what they're used to: billing for straight time and giving unlimited usage.


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Apr 03, 2013 03:54 as a reply to  @ skippix's post |  #4

@skippix that is right but it seems so difficult to keep a balance between what we charge and the clients been happy. Perhaps if there was one industry standard and every one within the industry was about to follow it then, probably, was going to be much more easier and clear for us as photographers what to charge and for the clients what to expect for certain services.
As the BUR i think this is something that is been implemented here in UK only, but I'm curious how you guys in USA are sorting out the license matters.


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Apr 03, 2013 05:21 |  #5

here is the US, pricing is almost like a game of "spin the wheel of fortune". there are very few standards for anything related to photography. consider 1) that, with no regulation, certification requirements, or licensing, anyone owning a camera (or having access to one) can start a photography business. 2) professional associations can only offer broad guidance for pricing without running afoul of price-fixing laws. 3) the market ranges from people with decades of experience in hiring professional photographers, knowing what to ask for and knowing what to expect, to people who have never hired a professional and have no clue what to ask or expect. in so many situations, whether it is a first time bride talking to a photographer who has never shot a wedding or a newly hired administrative assistant asking a friend who has taken some nice pictures with their new dslr about shooting some corporate headshots, it is the blind leading the blind.

most people limp along, way under-pricing their work, until they either figure out what they really need to be charging and are actually good enough photographers to justify their rates and good enough salespeople to get their rates, or they quit.

if someone works in the business part-time or semi-pro, they can float along for quite some time, charging whatever they think is fair. it's only when they get serious that they discover the difference between what they think is fair and what they need to survive - and often, that gap is too much to bridge.

if you're in a place where there is an accepted industry standard, such as the BUR, you have a fighting chance to keep everyone on the same page and to use your photography and client service reputation as the chief sales points, as opposed to competing primarily (or solely) on price. otherwise, it is critical to have a true understanding of your cost of doing business so that you develop sustainable rates for pricing your work.


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Apr 12, 2013 09:47 as a reply to  @ skippix's post |  #6

Thanks for the response guys, here I came across this blog post and just like to find out what do you think as professionals. To me the author view makes sense up to an extend . But then again I lost few potential clients because of this basic usage rate system, they don't even bother to come back at all.
PLease share any thoughts on this.
The blog:
http://thecommercialph​otographer.blogspot.co​.uk …otography-usage-fees.html (external link)

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