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Apr 11, 2013 07:21 |  #31

another question, the 4L IS is twice as much as the Non-IS, im not so concerned with IS, i can throw it on a monopod to help with camera shake. how does the sharpness compare?


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Apr 11, 2013 11:40 |  #32

mike_311 wrote in post #15815204 (external link)
another question, the 4L IS is twice as much as the Non-IS, im not so concerned with IS, i can throw it on a monopod to help with camera shake. how does the sharpness compare?

I don't know about the f/4, but I had (have) an Tamron f/2.8 that I only carried when I knew I would use it. I picked up the MKI and I almost always take it. The IS allows for easier handheld use in way more situations that the non-IS.


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Apr 11, 2013 11:57 |  #33

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another question, the 4L IS is twice as much as the Non-IS, im not so concerned with IS, i can throw it on a monopod to help with camera shake. how does the sharpness compare?

The f/4 non-IS is a good lens - it's the one photographers used for 7 years before the IS version came out, and it's still just as good now as it was then.

Just keeping your options open, you could do the 70-200 f/4 non-IS and the 200mm f/2.8L II for not much more than the 70-200 f/4 IS. Buy used and get them for less.

Having said that, I went from the 70-200 f/4 non-IS to the 70-200 f/2.8 IS II a few months ago and couldn't be happier.


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Apr 11, 2013 12:11 |  #34

mike_311 wrote in post #15815204 (external link)
another question, the 4L IS is twice as much as the Non-IS, im not so concerned with IS, i can throw it on a monopod to help with camera shake. how does the sharpness compare?

The IS version is sharper. It was canon's sharpest zoom until it was surpassed by the MKII 2.8 version. IS makes this zoom a lot more versatile. If you are doing portraits you dont want to be using a monopod and worrying about keeping your shutter speed so high while balancing ambient and strobe.




  
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Apr 11, 2013 13:27 |  #35

gonzogolf wrote in post #15816162 (external link)
The IS version is sharper. It was canon's sharpest zoom until it was surpassed by the MKII 2.8 version. IS makes this zoom a lot more versatile. If you are doing portraits you dont want to be using a monopod and worrying about keeping your shutter speed so high while balancing ambient and strobe.

good point. how many stops does the IS afford?

in all reality if im using artificial light outdoors im not going to be using the 70-200, i'll just use the 85.


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Apr 11, 2013 13:41 |  #36

mike_311 wrote in post #15816443 (external link)
good point. how many stops does the IS afford?

in all reality if im using artificial light outdoors im not going to be using the 70-200, i'll just use the 85.

The rated IS is 4 stops. I've handheld it down to 1/30. Beats 1/200 on the non-IS.




  
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Apr 11, 2013 17:43 |  #37

1/30 at 200?

im really trying to talk myself into only needing to non-is... you arent helping :)


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Apr 11, 2013 19:24 |  #38

Mark-B wrote in post #15816094 (external link)
The f/4 non-IS is a good lens - it's the one photographers used for 7 years before the IS version came out, and it's still just as good now as it was then.

Just keeping your options open, you could do the 70-200 f/4 non-IS and the 200mm f/2.8L II for not much more than the 70-200 f/4 IS. Buy used and get them for less.

while i hate saying no to glass, what benefit does it really offer over keeping my 85 and just getting a 200L, what use would i have for the 70-200/4 except having a zoom? just curious.


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Apr 11, 2013 21:05 as a reply to  @ mike_311's post |  #39

Hey Mike,

Important note #1:
Your clients won't be able to freeze still enough for a 1/30s exposure so....!
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I think way too many people forget (ignore) that IS doesn't freeze a subject! If you're shooting cars/bikes on a track, panning the shot, using IS mode-2, then yes, it's going to help to create blurred motion effects while still getting the vehicle sharp - due to monodirectional IS.

But you've specifically said several times that you shoot people.
Your website shows this to great effect.
IS - no matter how great the technology is - won't make much difference if your models are wobbling all over the place.

Just because the view through the camera looks sweet, doesn't mean you NEED that, to take sharp photos.

This is EXACTLY why I bought a 70-200L f/2.8 non-IS for my work.
Like you, my margins are also slim, so, what was the point in IS on a ~200mm lens which will need to be at 1/350s or more to freeze motion at concerts?
Answer: no point whatsoever.

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i know i need 85, i use all the time, its my favorite lens...//...

Then keep it!!

this all started because im setting up a shoot with a couple in a few weeks and i intend to do a variety of shots in a short amount of time, some of those shots will be them in a boat on a lake where i can't get close enough with my 85 standing on the edge of the lake.

OK, this is important note #2.
UNLESS you can tether the boat, it's going to be moving plenty = you need a decent shutter speed = IS won't do much.

AND, unless tethered, FL really could become an issue.

So, it's beginning to sound to me like you should go and do a test shoot.

Take your wife to the lake - promise some wine, or dinner, or something nice! - and try the shoot with your 85mm. If you can set it up like that, you can wait on the new lens until you've some more cash saved.

BUT, if 85mm really isn't enough, the zoom could save the shoot.

As has been mentioned, if cash is an issue, look at the Sigma 70-200 OS f/2.8.

Or, before the test-shoot rent a 200Lf/2.8 and see if that, plus your 85mm will do, as you could simply walk BACK, inland, with the 200L if it's too long.
Don't forget, most people use zooms at either end of their focal range...very rarely somewhere in the middle.
So, 85mm + 200mm is what most people use anyway.....except that your 85mm goes down to f/1.4!!!
;)

Hmmm....plenty to think about!
Regards, and let us know what you do.

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