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Bokeh Issue : Upgrading from 70-200 2.8 IS to IS II

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Apr 12, 2013 11:58 |  #1

Hello Everyone

70-200 IS II is sharp wide open and 4 stop IS but observed that the bokeh is very distinctive with sharp edges ans not as dreamy and creamy as the IS ver 1. I have Ver 1 and nearly about to upgrade to IS ver 2 but will i be losing that dreamy bokeh from all my future pics and the cost of sharper pics wide open.

Do the Ver 2 user miss that bokeh or is it just my illusion
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Apr 12, 2013 12:00 |  #2

And sorry the image attached above is from my ver 1 @ 2.8, ISO3200, denoised using LR4

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Apr 12, 2013 12:13 |  #3

Had both, small changes. Here:

Test setup, 200mm f2.8.

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Apr 12, 2013 12:20 |  #4

great samples bobby.

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Apr 12, 2013 15:08 |  #5

great example bobbyz, they almost look identical here

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Apr 12, 2013 15:23 |  #6

bobbyz: Which images are which lens, right one has more pronounced double borders.

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Apr 12, 2013 15:36 |  #7

ZoneV wrote in post #15820898 (external link)
bobbyz: Which images are which lens, right one has more pronounced double borders.

That is 70-200mm f2.8 IS II.

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Apr 13, 2013 05:21 |  #8

So what is the final word... ver 2 users like the new bokeh or learned to live with it :)

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Apr 13, 2013 08:58 |  #9

unless you look at 100% it doesn't bother me.

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Apr 13, 2013 09:24 |  #10

It looks to me as if the Mark II delivers a bit more contrast than the original lens, which in some situations is bound to make background blur look more coarse. It will particularly show up when the background has as strong or stronger contrast than the subject.

I don't see how this would be avoidable... the lens can't selectively apply different contrast to different areas of the image.

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Apr 14, 2013 09:46 |  #11

thanks guys, but im still undecisive, maybe 4 stop IS and 1.2m close focus and sharper images are the pluses to fore go the bokeh cream :) after so many IS II owners aare using it with satisfaction

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Apr 14, 2013 11:05 |  #12

Creamy, dreamy, preemie... look like first world problems to me... sorry.

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Apr 14, 2013 18:29 |  #13

Here are some real life shots with 70-200mm f2.8 IS II.

125mm, f2.8

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125mm, f4
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135mm, f3.5
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170mm f2.8
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As you see I love it.

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Apr 14, 2013 18:57 |  #14

turbolover wrote in post #15820836 (external link)
great example bobbyz, they almost look identical here

I think you need some monitor adjustment.
There is a very obvious difference between the left and right.

They are good examples. amfoto1's explanation makes sense.
While the lens cannot selectively reduce contrast, we can in pp..
(fully aware 100% crop peeping here)

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Apr 14, 2013 19:02 as a reply to  @ Choderboy's post |  #15

bobbyz - I'm interested in this, just got a used II 2 days ago...

I notice in the examples, it appears entire image has more contrast - ie even the dust spots appear to have more contrast. Hard to line up the same spots, but overall all spots on the right seem darker.

Like your recent examples very much.

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