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Apr 14, 2013 10:46 |  #1

Hello,

I used to use only RAW file and process them with Lightroom since I bought a 5D Mark III and store RAW files on the CF and JPG files on the SD card.
And then, watching the JPG, I became aware of the power of the treatment done by Digic 5+.
Therfore I tried DPP and it produced the same result without modifying any adjustment while I had to do much more job with Lightroom to get the same result.
The problem is that Lightroom has many more features than DPP so I wont abandon it.

Isn't it possible for Canon to make DPP a Lightroom plugin to have the rendering/development engine integragted in Lightroom?

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Apr 14, 2013 12:43 |  #2

It is true that every camera manufacturer has their own proprietary methods for taking the RAW sensor data and achieve their desired "looks" (Picture Styles, etc). Adobe emulates the Canon Picture Styles in the Develop Module under "Camera Calibration". Any of the profiles starting with the word "Camera", such as "Camera Neutral", "Camera Portrait", etc. are meant to be emulations of the same Canon ones.

However, keep in mind that unlike DPP, LR does not detect the selected Picture Style, in-camera sharpening setting, ALO, noise reduction, etc. It just reads the RAW file data. You either need to make a preset that applies whatever you want to apply during import or apply these things manually as you edit. It isn't possible to have a DPP plugin in LR that does this for you along with applying Canon's proprietary conversions.

Personally I don't like ANY of the Canon Picture Styles or Nikon Picture Controls and found Adobe Standard more to my liking for what I shoot.


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Apr 14, 2013 12:56 |  #3

No, it isn't possible. Every existing editing plugin for Lightroom requires that a rendered image (psd, tiff or jpg) be generated. Adobe has no interest in opening LR's structure to allow plugins to work within the Raw pipeline and certainly not to do a non-ACR conversion. What are you suggesting? That you would be able to use DPP's demosaicing instead of LR's built-in demosaicer? That would be like putting a Citroen C3 engine in a Mercedes. That Canon's proprietary profiles be available to LR? Why would Canon agree to that? Eric Chan invested a lot of time in building imitations of Canon profiles for Adobe; they are not 100% reproductions, although they are close, because Canon has proprietorial knowledge that is secret. If you want to use the products of that knowledge use DPP. If you want Raw conversions that replicate the camera's processing, use DPP. If you think you can't improve on Digic 5, use DPP. If you think that you can do better than a machine, LR might be the tool with which you can do that.

I tried DPP and it produced the same result without modifying any adjustment while I had to do much more job with Lightroom to get the same result.

But why would you want to get the same result?


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Apr 15, 2013 01:14 |  #4

nepomuk3000 wrote in post #15826353 (external link)
Therfore I tried DPP and it produced the same result without modifying any adjustment while I had to do much more job with Lightroom to get the same result.
The problem is that Lightroom has many more features than DPP so I wont abandon it.

In camera processing gives you the image that the camera thinks you want.
Post processing in Lightroom (or any other post processing software) gives you much greater creative control to create the image you want. If all you do in post processing is try to emulate what the camera already does you may as just shoot in jpeg and let the camera make all the decision for you.

Alternatively you could download presets for Lightroom that emulate Canon's in camera processing. Matt Kloskowski has produced a set that you can get from http://lightroomkiller​tips.com/?p=4361 (external link). They aren't exactly the same but they are pretty good. There are also a host of other presets available on that site which will enable you to be more creative in your processing. Plus of course you can always create/save your own presets, which make processing RAW file way quicker.


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Apr 15, 2013 09:40 |  #5

Dan Marchant wrote in post #15828876 (external link)
In camera processing gives you the image that the camera thinks you want.
Post processing in Lightroom (or any other post processing software) gives you much greater creative control to create the image you want. If all you do in post processing is try to emulate what the camera already does you may as just shoot in jpeg and let the camera make all the decision for you.

Alternatively you could download presets for Lightroom that emulate Canon's in camera processing. Matt Kloskowski has produced a set that you can get from http://lightroomkiller​tips.com/?p=4361 (external link). They aren't exactly the same but they are pretty good. There are also a host of other presets available on that site which will enable you to be more creative in your processing. Plus of course you can always create/save your own presets, which make processing RAW file way quicker.

Matt's Canon presets simply select the Canon preset in the profile dropdown menu in the Camera Calibration Panel in the Develop Module.




  
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Apr 16, 2013 00:07 |  #6

Bryan Conner wrote in post #15829643 (external link)
Matt's Canon presets simply select the Canon preset in the profile dropdown menu in the Camera Calibration Panel in the Develop Module.

I hadn't realised that, thanks for pointing it out. However the good thing about having these as a preset is that you can apply them on import. Given that the OP wants something as close to in-camera processing without doing anything this would be a good option.


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