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Apr 17, 2013 02:00 |  #16

Distance between the light and the horse is critical in his image, as well as choosing location and light levels. Still I think an Einstein with a Vagabond would probably be useful.


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Apr 17, 2013 12:18 |  #17

Don't have to have a barn, lean-to with shade and a dark side can work - even with speedlights and then a bit of work in lightroom. but no, I dont' think you can do it without a strobe in the full light of day.

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Apr 17, 2013 16:17 |  #18

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Practically speaking you want to get the ambient about two stops below proper exposure. Then figure out what kind of light you need on the subject to bring it up to proper exposure.

ISO, shutter speed and F stop work together for ambient. Since only F stop and ISO impact flash (presuming you can sync the camera shutter) keeping those as low and open as possible helps with flash power requirements. Being able to get the light close to the subject also helps.

You appear to be in UK. Lenscarta, is just bring to market some strobes that have IGBT control. If they have an H mode option that will be helpful. The H mode the manufacturer has implemented in other products work much the same way High Speed Sync does. There is a power compromise, but it may still prove useful.

I like the look of them and seen a review in a UK magazine who preferred them to the Ranger Quadra stating it had more power but at a much more reasonable price, and thanks for your lighting advise

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Distance between the light and the horse is critical in his image, as well as choosing location and light levels. Still I think an Einstein with a Vagabond would probably be useful.

I will look at the Einsteins, from what I can see not that well known this side of the pond

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Don't have to have a barn, lean-to with shade and a dark side can work - even with speedlights and then a bit of work in lightroom. but no, I dont' think you can do it without a strobe in the full light of day.

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Thanks I will give it a go, great picture and that is what I am trying to achieve


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Apr 17, 2013 16:40 |  #19

adrian5127 wrote in post #15838906 (external link)
I will look at the Einsteins, from what I can see not that well known this side of the pond

Presuming that the FP-sync capability on the Lenscarta light works as advertised it will be a better choice for your purposes than the Einstein. I have 4 Einsteins and they are great lights, but the IGBT circuitry for power control means that at any power setting below 100%, the flash duration is shortened and it makes fudging the x-sync impossible.

The FP-sync, while it reduces maximum light output, does permit using the shutter to control ambient beyond x-sync. Think of it as a speedlite on steroids with some High Speed Sync capabilities.


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Apr 17, 2013 18:17 |  #20

dmward wrote in post #15838995 (external link)
Presuming that the FP-sync capability on the Lenscarta light works as advertised it will be a better choice for your purposes than the Einstein. I have 4 Einsteins and they are great lights, but the IGBT circuitry for power control means that at any power setting below 100%, the flash duration is shortened and it makes fudging the x-sync impossible.

The FP-sync, while it reduces maximum light output, does permit using the shutter to control ambient beyond x-sync. Think of it as a speedlite on steroids with some High Speed Sync capabilities.

You were loosing me but this is in my language, I am definitely thinking Lencarta, pay day Friday from the day job Friday and getting some money from a wedding Sunday..............:D:D


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Apr 17, 2013 19:09 |  #21

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You were loosing me but this is in my language, I am definitely thinking Lencarta, pay day Friday from the day job Friday and getting some money from a wedding Sunday..............:D:D

Glad that helped. Speedlite is about 50Ws at full power, put it into HSS and it looses about 2 stops, down to 12.5Ws.
Lenscarta strobe is 400Ws, in FP-mode, if it looses 2 stops that puts it at 100Ws. Still a lot more light than the speedlite.


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Apr 18, 2013 09:44 |  #22

dmward wrote in post #15839369 (external link)
Glad that helped. Speedlite is about 50Ws at full power, put it into HSS and it looses about 2 stops, down to 12.5Ws.
Lenscarta strobe is 400Ws, in FP-mode, if it looses 2 stops that puts it at 100Ws. Still a lot more light than the speedlite.

I've been reading through some of the Lenscarta docs/articles on their website and nowhere do I see any reference indicating that their strobes can work in FP mode similar to how HSS workds on the Speedlites. I do see reference to high speed flash but that's referring to very short flash duration typically used for high speed flash photography, not high speed sync as in very fast shutter speeds.

I also did not see any reference to a special hot shoe mounted trigger, like that available with the Cheetah CL-180, that makes the Lenscarta strobe work in FP mode. Without a way to trigger the strobe via one of the dedicated hot shoe pins (not the standard trigger pin common in all hot shoes) I can't see any way FP can be employed on the Lenscarta strobe.


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