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Apr 18, 2013 09:26 |  #1

I shoot basketball for a grassroots organization - mostly shooting in poorly lighted gyms - a common scenario. I sometimes have the opportunity to shoot minor pro (NBLC) as wel as CIS / NCAA games. My equipment includes a T2i (gripped) and 1.8-50 ; 1.8 -85 and pancake (2.8-40). I am thinking of buying a 1.4 -50 to replace the 1.8. My main concern is that the 85 has to much reach from baseline and the 50 (1.8) is not a great lens. Should I look at the 1.4 -50? Will there be that much improvement with the 1.4?




  
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Apr 18, 2013 15:00 |  #2

1.4 is a stop faster then your 1.8, so it will be an improvement...but I think your two issues will be too narrow of DOF, and if memory serves me right, the AF on the 50 is less then desirable.

For me I'd rather trade one stop in light for the flexibility of a 70-200 2.8. That range works rather well when you're setup along the sideline or at the base line near the 3-point line. It would be too tight at or near the basket along the base line, in with I favor the 24-70 2.8.

I understand why you are looking for faster glass for those low light gyms...but again I'll take the one stop higher (most shooters will shoot at f/2 on the 1.8) in ISO before I'll trade to a prime and narrow DOF.


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Apr 10, 2018 13:14 |  #3

I have the Canon 50mm 1.8 STM. IMO, the focus would be too slow for a lot of upper level basketball. Might be OK for kids




  
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Apr 10, 2018 13:37 |  #4

Getting a 50 1.4 introduces 2 issues. A T3i won't drive that lens fast enough, and that lens, despite being a USM lens, is the bad kind of USM, so its AF is a bit atrocious.

I shoot ball with a 70-200, perhaps try to get a version 1 70-200 2.8, it will focus quickly enough and provide flexibility in framing. I could never use a prime to shoot basketball, especially given the resolution and noise handling of the T3i. Cropped results would require some serious post processing. I shot a 7D years back and could get ISO 6400 to work, 12800 required raw to JPG handling and then post processing as well.

This thread might help with ISO management on the T3i.

https://photography-on-the.net …/showthread.php​?t=1079217


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Apr 10, 2018 14:25 |  #5

I'm with Team on this one, the 50 1.4 is a very slow focusing lens. Even on the 1d3 it sucks. Shines for portrait work though, not very sharp wide open though.


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Apr 10, 2018 14:46 |  #6

I agree with everyone. I tried the 50/1.4 for basketball and its AF just couldn't keep up with the action of kids level basketball.




  
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Jul 10, 2018 10:25 |  #7

Is the Canon 70-200 f4 fast enough for indoor sports?




  
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Jul 10, 2018 10:56 as a reply to  @ duckster's post |  #8

The AF will be, whether f4 is good enough or not completely depends on the venue lighting and the type of sport.

- In a majority of venues, light is either low, poor quality/partial spectrum, or covers areas spottily.
- Some action is faster than others, requiring faster shutter speeds.

These two factors will drive your ISO and shutter speeds, and you may find that f4 won't allow you to reach your goal of either proper exposure or stopping motion.

I shoot in a very well lit venue compared to others (professional court, televised sometimes, etc), and I rarely shoot at f4, I am always at f2.8 or f3.2. However I am running 1/2000 for a shutter. If I ran the shutter at 1/1250th (the lowest I would ever go for basketball), then I could run f4.

You should be able to find the first gen of the 70-200 f2.8 lens pretty cheaply I would think, and that is a good lens to start with for sports. The MKII just has better micro-contrast and captures a bit more detail, but it is not necessary to buy that for sports shooting. You don't need IS either considering your shutter speeds will be fast enough to combat your hand movement. IS will just kill your battery too during a 2-3 hour sporting event, I leave mine off.

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Jul 10, 2018 13:35 as a reply to  @ TeamSpeed's post |  #9

Thanks for the information. The only indoor sports that I do are a couple of indoor track meets early in the season. Last year I rented a 70-200 f2.8 which worked well. Probably look for a used one or just rent again.




  
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Aug 14, 2018 15:50 as a reply to  @ duckster's post |  #10

I bought this lens for under the basket w/ the 7D. It works OK with high school, but a little more difficult shooting college.

I think it's worth this price (it's what I paid) but not full price. I would never had even given it a chance if it wasn't almost 50% off.
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Aug 14, 2018 18:36 |  #11

The problem you will have with faster athletes will be the lack of focusing speed of the sigma. Good lens overall, but you will combat the AF a bit I feel.


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Aug 16, 2018 17:55 as a reply to  @ TeamSpeed's post |  #12

My two go to lenses for indoor basketball in dim lit gyms were the 70-200mm f/2.8 and the 24-70mm f/2.8....now and then I would use a 10-24mm for over head bench shots or on a remote setup behind the backboard or at the base line.


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Aug 26, 2018 14:32 |  #13

yea it seems to be these are the best 2 (at least with zoom capability which is so critical to me) and I too use my 70-200 and 24-70 2.8 all the time for basketball. My only complaint is the need to have both of these... while I probably lean towards using the 70-200 much more, there are still times where there is not enough room under the basket to get far enough away using a crop and 70 as a minimum so that's when the 24-70 comes out.

Teamspeed, your pictures are beyond amazing... especially at such high ISO values... can't believe it... and as always thanks for all the advice given here!




  
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Aug 26, 2018 14:45 as a reply to  @ heat00's post |  #14

No problem, and yes the 7D2 will do well for all your kids events :)


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Aug 26, 2018 19:59 |  #15

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18684309 (external link)
The problem you will have with faster athletes will be the lack of focusing speed of the sigma. Good lens overall, but you will combat the AF a bit I feel.

Yes, I often pre-focus with this Sigma & hope for the best.




  
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