Why no such thing as a "perfect" camera?

Alex_Venom wrote in post #15842615
Really? Don´t you like hybrid viewfinders? Care to explain why?
I find them really good and light years ahead the optical ones, basically because you can have both OVF and EVF in the same body.
The way Fuji implemented it is OK, but imagine that technology applied to a pentaprism! You could have everything you already have in your DSLR, plus a histogram and much more information!

The OVF on the 7D and 5D3 are very good but still lack information. Put a live histogram in there and I think it would please a lot of people. Of course you could turn it off if you don´t like it.

Simply put, I dont want anything between me and the subject but a mirror and a lens. I dont want a viewfinder crammed with info and features to be honest. It just doesnt appeal to me. I will admit to not having used the latest technology, but I just dont need it.

Would the perfect camera include a perfect photographer?

Alex_Venom wrote in post #15842079
I keep wondering why manufacturers won´t put they very top of technology and features in one body. See the latest products offered? All of them have at least one "drawback" to it.

Technology is overrated. People don't look at a great photo and say "Wow, amazing technology!" The talent (or lack thereof) behind the camera is what matters.

Alex_Venom wrote in post #15842615
Really? Don´t you like hybrid viewfinders? Care to explain why?
I find them really good and light years ahead the optical ones, basically because you can have both OVF and EVF in the same body.
The way Fuji implemented it is OK, but imagine that technology applied to a pentaprism! You could have everything you already have in your DSLR, plus a histogram and much more information!

The OVF on the 7D and 5D3 are very good but still lack information. Put a live histogram in there and I think it would please a lot of people. Of course you could turn it off if you don´t like it.

"are very good"

you are kidding right? They are PACKED with information. Its starting to smell like either you are whining, or trolling...

My camera has NO information in the view finder, other than a single battery indicator.

Perhaps we can look at it the other way, what would a histogram give you in the view finder that you dont already have? how much space would that take up?

out of curiosity, have you ever peered down a medium format waist level view finder or a 4x5 ground glass screen?

Alex_Venom wrote in post #15842079
I keep wondering why manufacturers won´t put they very top of technology and features in one body. See the latest products offered? All of them have at least one "drawback" to it.

There is one camera that called my attention, the Sony RX1.

This camera had the oportunity to get where no other camera has ever been. It had everything to be perfect: Excellent FF sensor, small, not as expensive (considering the sensor). This camera had potential to be a DSLR and Rangefinder killer. But.....

they made it with a fixed lens that I can´t exchange.

Come on! If that thing had a removable lens and an hybrid viewfinder (or at least a built in EVF as the NEXs have) it would be an amazing product. I could mount EOS, Nikkor, Leica and Sony lenses to it. Use the onboard EVF to focus-peak and get everything good in a small package. How cool would that be?

Sony has the technology and know how to do it. We´ve seen on their other bodies. It was just a matter of putting it all together. Still they didn´t.
Same goes to other manufacturers. Fuji has this amazing non-AA sensor on the XPro1 and won´t give it a decent AF... still put a APS-C sensor instead of a full frame one in it.

EOS-M can´t even focus fast enough.
5D3 has a sensor that is at least 1 generation behind competition.
D800 has such a deprecated movie mode you can´t even change the aperture while recording.

I mean... am I the only one here? Don´t you feel things could be MUCH better without much more work?

The perfect digital camera already exists and can be purchased at any time. It's the Hasselblad HD-60, a 60MP medium format camera priced at US $33,000 - € 24,000 with lens.

Now, of course, there may be some users of this forum who may not be aware that medium format digital cameras such as the Hasselblad and Phase One/Mamiya exist. Newcomers to photography usually do not know that medium format and large format cameras have long produced what are considered technically superior images than the 35mm cameras that were the inspiration for the current crop of DSLR's. In any case, the knowledge of a superior type of digital camera should lead those who are unhappy with today's DSLR's to rush out and buy a medium format digital system - or maybe a large format film system for the exceptionally hard to please.

Technically superior still doesn't equal perfection.

While we are at this, where is my flying car and my jetpack?

I'm still waiting on a money tree and a fountain of youth.

Alex_Venom wrote in post #15842371
You bet you´d benefit from my camera company!
As I´d offer you:

Small form factor (RX1)
Hybrid viewfinder (Xpro1)
non-AA sensor (Xpro1)
Full Frame sensor with great DR and low noise (D800)
Fast contrast-detect AF (EP3)
Good video mode (5D3)
Fast frame rate while reasonably large MP count (5D3)
Exchangeable lenses
In-body IS (Sony/Pentax)
Pixels dedicated to Phase Detection (new EOS Rebels)

It does not seem to be THAT hard to do it, as these are all technologies working today in different bodies.

I would look at that camera and say "meh". The perfect camera for me would look a lot different.
Medium format sensor with IBIS. About 80mp variant of the exmore sensor with no AA filter.
Pentax 645 form factor and weather sealing.
1Dx auto focus capabilities scaled up to the medium format sensor.
Magic Lantern type firmware capabilities native, with open source firmware to allow for limitless custom tweaking.
Optional Cambo type attachment to allow for full technical lens movements while retaining complete communication between lens and body.
Viewfinder shutter ala 1D series.
WiFi
Dual CF card slots
3fps
-3 EV AF capabilites ala 6D
Locking mode dial
native 25 base iso

Did I forget anything?

If Canon would only put their best sensor in the same body as there best AF system and not make it a huge beast like the rest of the 1D bodies..

Wait, they did that. It's the 5DIII (with lower noise than the D800)

Canon once built the perfect camera for me. It was the 1D MkIII. Everything about it was perfect. Then we tried to shoot with it and the AF was pants!

RX1 is expensive P&S and nothing else.
It has zero potential to kill DSLR and RF, because it has no OVF.
Stop looking for perfect gearhead camera, once you'll start to take pictures, which real viewers likes, you'll realize it is not the camera.

Everyone's different. The perfect camera for me would be a 5DIII in a MFT form factor, with interchangeable multicolored faceplates for customizing my camera to match my outfit.

Get a Leica

Scatterbrained wrote in post #15843795
I would look at that camera and say "meh". The perfect camera for me would look a lot different.
Medium format sensor with IBIS. About 80mp variant of the exmore sensor with no AA filter.
Pentax 645 form factor and weather sealing.
1Dx auto focus capabilities scaled up to the medium format sensor.
Magic Lantern type firmware capabilities native, with open source firmware to allow for limitless custom tweaking.
Optional Cambo type attachment to allow for full technical lens movements while retaining complete communication between lens and body.
Viewfinder shutter ala 1D series.
WiFi
Dual CF card slots
3fps
-3 EV AF capabilites ala 6D
Locking mode dial
native 25 base iso

Did I forget anything?

That list is really close IMO.

It needs to be available in a monochrome version without the colored filter array over the sensor.

I'd like it to have both a focal plane shutter for faster shutter speeds and have leaf shutters in the lenses for faster sync speeds, but I'd settle for leaf only if the shutter can handle at least 1/1000.

krb wrote in post #15844005
That list is really close IMO.

It needs to be available in a monochrome version without the colored filter array over the sensor.

I'd like it to have both a focal plane shutter for faster shutter speeds and have leaf shutters in the lenses for faster sync speeds, but I'd settle for leaf only if the shutter can handle at least 1/1000.

I don't know, Panasonic has that new technology to do away with the Bayer array. . . . .


1/1000 sync speed? Now you just getting greedy.