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Romax12
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Apr 21, 2013 10:23 |  #1

hello guys.

i want to start using flashes and i am considering buying the 430ex ii.
i also want to buy a flash stand and an umbrella, for shooting outdoor portraits.
can i control the 430 with my t3i? or do i need to use something like a pocket wizard? cause those things are really expensive and i dont want to start using transmitters and so.
ive heard that my t3i can control off-camera flash but shoot the built in one before the image is taken - is that right?
for indoors and outdoors for a begginer in flash photography like me, will the ETTL mode be enough?
i was also considering a 135 f2 aswell.
thanks alot


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Apr 21, 2013 10:51 |  #2

Romax12 wrote in post #15851311 (external link)
... can i control the 430 with my t3i?

Yes. The pop-up flash on the T3i can be used as a remote flash master. However, the system is light-based, like a tv remote, so the 430EXII's sensor panel has to be able to 'see' the pop-up flash's signaling. Indoors, with lots of bounce surfaces, this can work great. But for outdoor portraits, without bounce surfaces nearby, and in brighter ambient light, which can make the signalling harder to "see", the range, reliability, and line-of-sight requirements get stricter, which is why radio triggers are so popular.

.... or do i need to use something like a pocket wizard? cause those things are really expensive and i dont want to start using transmitters and so.

You don't have to use radio triggers, but for outdoor work, you're liable to want them a lot more. Not all radio triggers are as expensive as PocketWizards, however. If you require professional-level reliability, PWs are the gold standard, but if you're just a hobbyist shooter that can afford to miss a shot now and then, you could go with much cheaper alternatives like triggers from Cactus, Yongnuo, Pixel, or Phottix. Some of them even communicate eTTL.

ive heard that my t3i can control off-camera flash but shoot the built in one before the image is taken - is that right?

Yes. The pop-up flash has to blink out the settings for the remote flash, as well as to communicate the "fire" sync signal.

for indoors and outdoors for a begginer in flash photography like me, will the ETTL mode be enough?

Indoors yes. Outdoors, possibly not.

i was also considering a 135 f2 aswell. ...

Great lens. Love it. One of my most used. But a flash will probably get you more bang for the buck, especially if you go off-camera with it.


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Apr 21, 2013 11:11 |  #3

The T3i has a very nice system which will work well indoors even without direct line of sight (utilizing reflected light as mentioned above).

Watch these two videos to learn how to use it for Off Camera Flash (OCF), controlling the flash from the camera (you set the flash to E-TTL and do not touch it again until you turn it off). You can then control the flash from the camera, either as E-TTL or Manual.

http://www.youtube.com​/watch?v=5byuHJ9uBns (external link)

For multiple flashes

http://www.youtube.com​/watch?v=hk7IRg1ApGE (external link)

Here is an outdoor shot I was experimenting in outdoor OCF at 1930 in a summer day

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Apr 21, 2013 11:21 |  #4

It's an optical wireless system and can be pretty shoddy when used outdoors (my experience with the 430EX and 7D). I'd check the YN-622 thread if you're wanting a much cheaper radio trigger option which supports E-TTL. They can be had for ~$80 a pair shipped ebay. If you're wanting to shoot manual flash, there are even cheaper trigger options available.

Speaking of umbrellas and stands, I just picked up my first set this week after researching the forums. Here's what I grabbed and what I thought:

Ravelli ALS 10' Air Cushioned Light Stand w/ bag (external link) - ~$25
The stand was recommended in another thread on this forum. Very pleased with the quality for the price. Much beefier than what I expected.

43" White Satin Umbrellas with removable black cover (external link) - ~$18
You can find cheaper Umbrellas options, but I wanted to take advantage of my Amazon Prime trial and free two day shipping.

Flash Shoe Holder Type B (external link) - ~$7
This is the one item where you get what you pay for.. It works, but I wouldn't trust it to hold outdoors with the slightest bit of wind hitting the umbrella. Just too flimsy for my taste. If there are recommendations for a good holder that's not going to set me back $35 I'd love to hear it!

If you're really wanting to save your pennies and plan on using it only with the stand and umbrella, I wouldn't even worry about E-TTL and grab a manual flash... The Yongnuo YN-560 seems to be a very popular manual flash alternative. Even cheaper is the Neewer TT560 (external link) $42. I just picked up two of these. The power switch is a little shoddy on one of them, but still excellent value. All said and done going on a budget manual route you could have a remote manual flash setup for less than the cost of a 430EX II.

Here's one of my first shots from last night after setting it up to test everything out. Really just getting started with off camera flash. She was in the middle of eating chocolate and wanted to pose :)
EF-S 17-55 Lens at 55mm
1/250 / f4.5 / ISO 320
430EX on 1/4 manual shot through the umbrella

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Apr 21, 2013 12:38 |  #5

Romax12 wrote in post #15851311 (external link)
hello guys.

i want to start using flashes and i am considering buying the 430ex ii.
i also want to buy a flash stand and an umbrella, for shooting outdoor portraits.
can i control the 430 with my t3i? or do i need to use something like a pocket wizard? cause those things are really expensive and i dont want to start using transmitters and so.
ive heard that my t3i can control off-camera flash but shoot the built in one before the image is taken - is that right?
for indoors and outdoors for a begginer in flash photography like me, will the ETTL mode be enough?
i was also considering a 135 f2 aswell.
thanks alot

For radio triggers get a pair of these

https://www.youtube.co​m/watch?v=NTUuFGTHskY (external link)

they are cheap and meet your needs


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Apr 21, 2013 14:04 |  #6

sporadic wrote in post #15851450 (external link)
Flash Shoe Holder Type B (external link) - ~$7
This is the one item where you get what you pay for.. It works, but I wouldn't trust it to hold outdoors with the slightest bit of wind hitting the umbrella. Just too flimsy for my taste. If there are recommendations for a good holder that's not going to set me back $35 I'd love to hear it!


Impact Umbrella Bracket with Adjustable Shoe  (external link)
$25

I've just recently purchased my setup as well. A little bit more expensive, but compact.

Monfrotto Compact Light Stand (external link)
$76 (was about $55 a month ago)

Westcott 43" White Umbrella, Collapsible (external link)
$30


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Apr 21, 2013 14:46 |  #7

I started with a 430EXII... great flash! I'm finally upgrading now and actually selling mine (see link at the bottom of my signature for details).


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