Yongnuo YN 560EX and YN 565 EX

Having had the limitations of the 600EX RT with cameras older than 2012 pointed out to me. Looks like on a 7D, I would loose 1/250 sec down to 1/200 and No HSS!
I looked at Yongnuo - but I must confess looks very confusing.
So far I think the following is correct.

1. YN-568
Has HSS, ETTL II both on and off camera. Will work with 622c triggers (useful to incorporate the 430 EXIIs.
But cost £129

2. YN -565
Has No HSS, ETTL II both on and off camera. Will work with 622c triggers ? One reported user? (useful to incorporate the 430 EXIIs)
But cost £107

3. YN 560EX
Has No HSS, ETTL II Only when off camera. Will work it with 622c triggers???
(useful to incorporate the 430 EXIIs)
But is cheap cost £69. One reseller poor 70%

All the above have a manual optical single trigger ( S1mode?). So I can augment my Bowens flashes (obviously all in manual mode). This would be a real nice to have!
The main requirement is to have these in ETTL II Mode, wirelessly triggered, remote off camera, maybe to start with using 7D's inbuilt optical trigger. Then maybe using YN 622 C radio triggers off the 5DMkIII.

Apart from reading a number of reports that say these guide No 58 flashes produce a slightly less power flash than the Canon 430 mk II. . When measured by a flash meter ( 3 people)
Anybody else heard this?

Any info advice welcome Canon cashback ends tomorrow? So need to decide asap.

I recently ordered the YN560EX to go with my 430EXII, scheduled for delivery this week. Since I have not shot with HSS I didn't bother ordering another HSS capable flash, and I have my 430EXII for that just in case. I think all 3 are compatible with Canon's built in wireless flash trigger, but no HSS unless using the 622c triggers with the the 568EX. I'll be using my 560EX with my 60D which it is compatible with, same as your 7D, for off camera ETTL. You should check out Clives document on the 622c thread, it's in his signature and very helpful if you are considering the 622c trigger. From what I have read online in various reviews the power on all 3 is closer to the 430EXII than the 580EX GN's. All depends if you need HSS or not really.
568EX = HSS, ETTL on/off camera, no battery pack
565EX = No HSS, ETTL on/off camera, battery pack compatible
560EX = No HSS, ETTL off camera only, Manual flash on camera only, no battery pack. Since this is the one I bought and waiting for, it will be interesting to see if I can control manual settings via my camera flash controls wireless also. Plus it's the cheapest of the 3.

Submariner wrote in post #15878858
Having had the limitations of the 600EX RT with cameras older than 2012 pointed out to me. Looks like on a 7D, I would loose 1/250 sec down to 1/200 and No HSS!

Actually, I believe this is incorrect. Early documentation stated this limitation, but a lot of folks with 5DMkII and 7D bodies claim HSS and max. sync speed capabilities. You might want to google a little harder.

The limitations in not having a 2012 body are no access to groups mode, ID codes, the flash being used as a shutter remote, and groups D&E, iirc.

Yes.

Yes. It works with 622c triggers.

YN 560EX
Has No HSS, ETTL II Only when off camera. Will work it with 622c triggers???

The only eTTL function with the 560EX is via Canon's optical wireless system. It becomes a manual-only flash when used from the hotshoe, which is how the 622c triggers communicate. So while it works, you will not have any "remote commanding", TTL, or HSS capabiltiies with YN-622c triggers. You will, however, have all of those with the 7D's pop-up flash as master.

You also forgot the YN-500EX, which is like the 568EX, but less powerful and has a PC sync port instead of a 2.5mm sync port. And the YN-468II, which is similar to the YN-565EX, but has no Canon proprietary optical slave capability (which is what you need if you want to use the 7D's popup as your mater). Both of these should be compatible with the YN-622c for remote commanding, as they can be controlled via the camera menu when mounted on the camera hotshoe.

No. They have two "dumb" optical slave modes: S1, which fires on the first flash burst, and S2, which fires on the second flash burst (i.e., can ignore a single preflash from TTL).

Actually, slightly more. But less than a 580EXII. Consider it halfway between a 430EX and 580EX.

Thanks for both super posts and especially Inkistas extremely detailed reply.
Looks like if I want Hss I need the 468 EX, and if I can do without HSS

If I ever want to go radio rather than optical wireless, the 560EX won't really work for me.
So for £20 its got to be worth getting the 568EX, over the 565 EX especially as you also get HSS.

Interesting news on the power levels and the functionality restrictions on the 600EX - inkistas seem more logical.
Better do some more Googling especially if I use the. Ste-3 or the YN 622Cs.
These compatibility odities are pretty complex!

The Yongnuos will not trigger from the ST-E3. The only speedlight that can do so at the present time is the 600EX-RT. The 622c triggers speak a different signaling protocol from the Canon RT system. You can trigger the YN-565 and YN-568 from a 600EX-RT, if it's used as a TTL optical master. The ST-E3 only speaks radio.

inkista wrote in post #15880654
The Yongnuos will not trigger from the ST-E3. The only speedlight that can do so at the present time is the 600EX-RT. The 622c triggers speak a different signaling protocol from the Canon RT system. You can trigger the YN-565 and YN-568 from a 600EX-RT, if it's used as a TTL optical master. The ST-E3 only speaks radio.

Thanks again,
Pressure is slightly off the cashback on Canon stuff, it is actually the 31st may not as I saw in one article 31 April ( only 30 days lol)

Seems a lot of people say with 2 x 600EX RT They can get 1/250 sync speed and HSS on the 7D. Despite Canon documentation. They do hint that any more may induce processing delays. But that OK for me.
All say no groups or ID . But then that wasnt there before; so I guess older cameras would need a firmware upgrade to incorporate that, and as it wasnt there wont miss it!

Opens up another option, buy the ST -E3 and one 600ex rt, and try one YN-568 and use the Si trigger option. So I get to the 600 by radio and when that flash fires, then the YN 568 is triggerred optically. But then its just a basic manual flash, no control over it in Radio mode!
Or leave the ST-E3 for now and run off the 7D optically . Hoping the ST-E3 mk2 has an infrared focusing assist light.

there is a question
Nobody tried here such flash?

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