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Could this Flash Zebra kit allow my Bowens Strobes to trigger a 600 EX RT and a 43-Mk

 
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Apr 30, 2013 16:06 |  #1

Tearing my hair out crossing 3 flash technologies i] Canons optical wireless ii] Canons RT Wireless iii] Bowens Wireless Radio triggers.

I need to support 2 scenarios:-

A] In a home studio - I use Bowens Pulsar Wireless Radio triggers, this has a lovely tiny TX transmitter, that sits on the Camera's hot-shoe, currently a 7D and soon to be, plus a 5DIII.
The Bowens GM 500Rs all have Radio Cards in them; so they can each be in a separate group.
Ideally I'd like to augment these 3 Strobes with any Speedlites I use outside.
As there is no ETTL inside, all manual and metered with a Sekonic lightmeter.

Plan is to use one of these Item #0118 Optical Slave — Canon EX Compatible — with Male PC Connector — Sonia Brand and a Item #0065 PC to Flash Hotshoe Adapter.
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http://www.flashzebra.​com/hotshoes-shoes/0065.shtml (external link)

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Camera triggers 3 Bowens Mono-lights over Bowens Radio wirelesssystem, when they flash [NB no ETTLII pre-flash] this sets off the Sonia cell, and hopefully fires the 600EX RT and the 430 EX RT both of which are set manually on the flash.
Will it work?. And I appreciate it's not ideal, from an ease of control perspective. Later I will replace the Speedlites with more Bowens Monolights.

Scenario B Location Work
i] Initially run this using the 7D's Optical Pop up, and use Canon's Optical Wireless mode to fire the 600EX RT and the existing 430 EX II. for Main and Fill, maybe the slightest bit of supplementary help [LIke 1/8 power] from the 7D's pop-up.
ii] Buy the ST -E3 or hopefully its replacement, if one comes with an Infra red focus aid beam. Or as soon as the 5D Mk III arrives, which ever is first.
Or if I get a lot of misfires using the 7D's optical wireless triggers.
Then obviously run the ST-E3 [or its replacement] to trigger the 600 EX RT.
Ideally I was wondering, if for budget reasons only, I could still use the Sonia cell to trigger the 430 Ex II. I guess the issue is when you use the 600EX RT and the ST-E3 in radio mode, and I want HSS and ETTLII - does that involve a preflash and radio communication too and fro.
If so then its time to sell the 430 EX II, or can I survive for a while if there is no actual pre-flash. Appreciate its a pain being all manual and meters on just one Speedlite.
So a question to any ST-E3 and 600 EX RT owners is there any preflashing at all?

I suppose if it was just ONE single preflash maybe I could sell the 430 EX and buy the Yongnuo 568 and use its S2 mode [I,e, ignore one preflash and be triggered optically].

Sorry for the long post but its a difficult for me , and b I think its pretty complex for 2 scenarios.
Any ideas help or advise much appreciated.

Canon EOS 5DS R, Canon EF 70-200 F2.8 L Mk II IS USM, Canon EF 70-300 F4-5.6 L IS USM, EF 40mm F2.8 STM , RC6 Remote. Canon STE-3 Radio Flash Controller, Canon 600 EX RT x4 , YN 560 MkII x2 ; Bowens GM500PRO x4 , Bowens Remote Control. Bowens Pulsar TX, RX Radio Transmitter and Reciever Cards. Bowens Constant 530 Streamlights 600w x 4 Sold EOS 5D Mk III, 7D, EF 50mm F1.8, 430 EX Mk II, Bowens GM500Rs x4

  
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Apr 30, 2013 16:29 |  #2

Ok, lots to reply. I have a similar mix - 2 AB800s, 2 600EXRTs, and a 430EX (I). I have the exact same flash zebra trigger/mount on my 430EX.

Your Scenario A: If you are all manual and no preflash from the Bowens, then it should work just as you describe (though I have not tried the hotshoe/trigger combo on the 600EXRT's). I do a little different because I have an STE3 and use it on the camera shoe with my PCB trigger in the side socket to trigger both Bees and 600's simultaneously in manual, thus only "slave" trigger is with 430EX.

Your Scenario B: truthfully, since I operate all manual, I don't know if you'll get a pre-flash or not. In theory, you should have preflash, because you're in a mode other than Manual, and the flash has to generate info for the camera to meter. So I think that you will have a false firing of the 430EX when you try to operate the 600's in any mode other than manual. I may have time this coming weekend to try (if you don't get an answer before then) and can get back to you.


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May 01, 2013 02:36 |  #3

mike1812 wrote in post #15884114 (external link)
Ok, lots to reply. I have a similar mix - 2 AB800s, 2 600EXRTs, and a 430EX (I). I have the exact same flash zebra trigger/mount on my 430EX.

Your Scenario A: If you are all manual and no preflash from the Bowens, then it should work just as you describe (though I have not tried the hotshoe/trigger combo on the 600EXRT's). I do a little different because I have an STE3 and use it on the camera shoe with my PCB trigger in the side socket to trigger both Bees and 600's simultaneously in manual, thus only "slave" trigger is with 430EX.

Your Scenario B: truthfully, since I operate all manual, I don't know if you'll get a pre-flash or not. In theory, you should have preflash, because you're in a mode other than Manual, and the flash has to generate info for the camera to meter. So I think that you will have a false firing of the 430EX when you try to operate the 600's in any mode other than manual. I may have time this coming weekend to try (if you don't get an answer before then) and can get back to you.

Thanks Mike,
Funny how things come around. In one of your much earlier posts I noted these Zebra cells. Didn't want to pursue that route then, but saved the link; as I felt it would come in handy someday.
Good to know the 430 EXII work, as I am loathe to sell them for peanuts, as they are only 10 months old, immaculate and hardly used. As I use the Bowens all the time.

I too have a feeling that in scenario B there must be some kind of single preflash i.e. something to evaluate, and upon which to base the correct readings to relay to the relevant slaves in the future. Hence the YN- 568 idea as it has a dumb optical trigger and one where it omits the first pre flash. Probably wouldn't omit the 7D style of optical comms , but might just be a single flash to evaluate.


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May 01, 2013 07:46 |  #4

There is a pre-flash from the 600 for metering even in radio mode.

The optical slave should just plug into the PC connection on the 600.


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May 03, 2013 16:47 |  #5

dmward wrote in post #15886119 (external link)
There is a pre-flash from the 600 for metering even in radio mode."

Hopefully the YN 568 will miss this single preflash on program S2, so I can use the 600ex rt to trigger it outside.


"The optical slave should just plug into the PC connection on the 600.

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Thats good so I should be able to use this with the Bowens - so they can trigger it in the studio as an additional light source.


Canon EOS 5DS R, Canon EF 70-200 F2.8 L Mk II IS USM, Canon EF 70-300 F4-5.6 L IS USM, EF 40mm F2.8 STM , RC6 Remote. Canon STE-3 Radio Flash Controller, Canon 600 EX RT x4 , YN 560 MkII x2 ; Bowens GM500PRO x4 , Bowens Remote Control. Bowens Pulsar TX, RX Radio Transmitter and Reciever Cards. Bowens Constant 530 Streamlights 600w x 4 Sold EOS 5D Mk III, 7D, EF 50mm F1.8, 430 EX Mk II, Bowens GM500Rs x4

  
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