Adobe goes Subscription only

Mark_48 wrote in post #15938586
CS6 needs an activation from Adobe to function. What if the rules were changed and Adobe decided to not provide activation for the CS6 product any longer and you needed to do a reinstall?

That is safe. As long as Adobe doesn't close their operation they will honor the activation for CS6. Not doing that would suddenly make Adobe have to pay more than their current $3.5 billion in annual sales to their affected customers because of breach of contract.

Adobe can only break the license if they can show that the buyer of the license have violated the license significantly.

They might have realized it was cheaper to just serve a fixed activation code than to host servers running some software they may not have had full control of the source code (or development tools) for.

But whatever they do, they need to continue to make sure a customer who have have a valid CS6 license and haven't been proven to have invalidated that license can activate that software.

[QUOTE=ThreeGuysPhoto;​15938552]If you sign up for the monthly plan with annual commitment you can go 99 (use to say 180) days offline.

from the CC FAQ:

I'm paid up and have had a number of messages come up about the license..so the software doesn't know about this 99 -180 days, mine is checking every day and cutting off immediately even when paid, had to restart system also most of the CS6 software won't even run on my PC laptop.
Yet Canon soft is..
super bad taste in my mouth!!
cheers
D

tlzimmerman wrote in post #15938574
Ok I give up....be pissed off if you want to everyone I guess. Enjoy switching to other software because Adobe isn't changing how they are going to do things regardless of everyone's doomsday scenarios.

Hey, I'm not pissed off. I'm a bit disappointed in Adobe. I'm sure they will keep moving forward with this, but if they are way off in their estimation of how many will walk they may rethink the options.

I don't have to switch to other software. I do most of my work in LR and what I do in PS can be done in my legal copy of CS6 which I own with a perpetual license. I will continue to buy LR upgrades with their perpetual license. So for me they don't really lose a customer. Just the money I would have spent on the PS upgrades.

I get why people are pissed and the various reasons for being upset. I don't really get the few who spend all their time and energy trying to sell Adobe's move as a good thing for the customer.

Why do you care so much that we don't fall to our knees and drink the CC milkshake and bow to the Adobe gods?

proimages wrote in post #15938604
I'm paid up and have had a number of messages come up about the license..so the software doesn't know about this 99 -180 days, mine is checking every day and cutting off immediately even when paid, had to restart system also most of the CS6 software won't even run on my PC laptop.
Yet Canon soft is..
super bad taste in my mouth!!
cheers
D

Not surprised... they seem to be winging the details and doing stuff on the fly. Thanks for the info. So, your CS6 is screwed up from the CC stuff? I thought CS6 would be untouched. I'm not going to get CC anyways, but sounds like a royal PIA.

ThreeGuysPhoto wrote in post #15938626
Not surprised... they seem to be winging the details and doing stuff on the fly. Thanks for the info. So, your CS6 is screwed up from the CC stuff? I thought CS6 would be untouched. I'm not going to get CC anyways, but sounds like a royal PIA.

to be clear, the issue resolved it's self..but required a restart..maybe an issue with CS6 running on different machines..the messages just added insult to injury...I had renders going and had to shut them down..restart etc..an hour I won't be paid for.

Now the issue with dreamweaver, a known bug has made it into the new version and seems to be permanent. Renders the software unusable and they have no option to use a prior version..so I have to go back to cs4 that I own..Why wont they provide CS5?? Since dreamweaver CS6 Is unusable!! Since I'm a paid subscriber shouldn't I be able to use any version prior that works??
cheers
Darrin

ThreeGuysPhoto wrote in post #15938611
I get why people are pissed and the various reasons for being upset. I don't really get the few who spend all their time and energy trying to sell Adobe's move as a good thing for the customer.

Why do you care so much that we don't fall to our knees and drink the CC milkshake and bow to the Adobe gods?

Some of them just like to argue it seems.

proimages wrote in post #15938730
Now the issue with dreamweaver, a know bug has made it into the new version and seems to be permanent. Renders the software unusable and they have no option to use a prior version..so I have to go back to cs4 that I own..Why wont they provide CS5?? Since dreamweaver CS6 Is unusable!!

Adobe has been killing Dreamweaver for years. I was a die hard DW guy but now I see little reason to use it. Even though I own a copy of DW CS6 I rarely ever use it. There are just so many better product out there.

In fact, right before this whole subscription business came out I was trying to decide if I was going to upgrade my whole suite to CS7 or just get Photoshop. The only tools I actively use in the suite are Photoshop, Acrobat and occasionally fireworks. I originally bought into the suite for DW, FW and PS but DW is crap and the incremental changes to Acrobat and FW are rarely anything I am interested in. I actually read they are discontinuing fireworks altogether.

dalto wrote in post #15938737
Adobe has been killing Dreamweaver for years. I was a die hard DW guy but now I see little reason to use it. Even though I own a copy of DW CS6 I rarely ever use it. There are just so many better product out there.

In fact, right before this whole subscription business came out I was trying to decide if I was going to upgrade my whole suite to CS7 or just get Photoshop. The only tools I actively use in the suite are Photoshop, Acrobat and occasionally fireworks. I originally bought into the suite for DW, FW and PS but DW is crap and the incremental changes to Acrobat and FW are rarely anything I am interested in. I actually read they are discontinuing fireworks altogether.

I manage 250 websites mostly hand code and use dreamweaver to visualize big systems and search out code - (That is the element they broke) I don't want to change my work flow..I'm paying for a product and forced into monthly arrangement..it's unacceptable for that software not to work!! end of story

proimages wrote in post #15938792
I manage 250 websites mostly hand code and use dreamweaver to visualize big systems and search out code - (That is the element they broke) I don't want to change my work flow..I'm paying for a product and forced into monthly arrangement..it's unacceptable for that software not to work!! end of story

I understand how you feel. I used to feel the same way but after 3 progressively crappier versions I eventually just switched.

What are your sites written in? Is it mostly html?

tlzimmerman wrote in post #15937793
Right....so you have to pay more....thats the only difference.

Amamba wrote in post #15937976
It's all about cost.

I'm blown away that you see this as the only difference. Seriously. It is far from the only difference which has been expressed countless times before.

I have used software (and can still access to software) from companies that have now either:

1) discontinued that particular product line, or

2) have 'upgraded' their software with changes that I don't like (and prefer what I was working on at a particular time), and...

3) in some cases from companies that cease to exist.

Adobe has taken away users CHOICE, and ASSURETY - and that is the big difference.

Not having access to my work (PSD files) I see as being in a position where I'd be stuffed.... so:

If Adobe decide to cancel one's subscription for any reason they want (which is in their T&C) and no longer provide one with access to their services - you're stuffed.

If Adobe ends up in a couple of years time changing photoshop in a way that doesn't suit one as well as the current one you are on - in the cloud, one is stuffed.

If Adobe cease to exist and go broke or stop offering that particular product - those dependent on the cloud are stuffed.

If Adobe decides to raise prices to a level that one can no longer afford - they're stuffed...

Of which NONE of this situations would cause problems for people back on the original perpetual license terms.

You may not care about any of these possibilities- but I'm blown away by some peoples limited ability to not be able to comprehend why others might be concerned about it.

Like I said before...and the beat goes on....

adza77 wrote in post #15939583
I'm blown away that you see this as the only difference. Seriously. It is far from the only difference which has been expressed countless times before.

I have used software (and can still access to software) from companies that have now either:

1) discontinued that particular product line, or

2) have 'upgraded' their software with changes that I don't like (and prefer what I was working on at a particular time), and...

3) in some cases from companies that cease to exist.

Adobe has taken away users CHOICE, and ASSURETY - and that is the big difference.

Not having access to my work (PSD files) I see as being in a position where I'd be stuffed.... so:

If Adobe decide to cancel one's subscription for any reason they want (which is in their T&C) and no longer provide one with access to their services - you're stuffed.

If Adobe ends up in a couple of years time changing photoshop in a way that doesn't suit one as well as the current one you are on - in the cloud, one is stuffed.

If Adobe cease to exist and go broke or stop offering that particular product - those dependent on the cloud are stuffed.

If Adobe decides to raise prices to a level that one can no longer afford - they're stuffed...

Of which NONE of this situations would cause problems for people back on the original perpetual license terms.

You may not care about any of these possibilities- but if you're unable to comprehend why others might be concerned about them - then you really have a very limited ability to understand.

Might add another. If Adobe changes their product such that your particular computer setup can no longer run the program without significant upgrades... your stuffed. This also is in Adobe's T&C.They can upgrade you at any time.

Well, looking up into this beautiful Hawaii sky....by George, I think it is starting to fall. Everyone, run for your covers.

Hogloff wrote in post #15939598
Like I said before...and the beat goes on....

Yes. Just as you regularly post the same, long, mantra in about eye-controlled focus selection "but only if ..."

cdifoto wrote in post #15938275
This basically says Adobe has no gotta-have features or improvements up their sleeve for the foreseeable future. It says they want to keep profiting off of past efforts.

Now, what bothers me most is the fear that I will have the fancy new Canon 1D Mark MCMXLVII but I won't have a good RAW management. I fear the day I'm stuck using Canon's DPP and it's still as awful as it is today. DPP has deplorable batch capabilities for cropping and exporting to other formats (aspect ratios, hello?!) - nevermind the terrible NR and sharpening, etc.

Other than that, I don't really care. If Lightroom NEVER goes sub-exclusive, I'm good. But I never thought I'd see the day PS went sub-exclusive.

Well if you are honest, to some extent that has been Adobe's problem since the first version of Photoshop. Every new release is just an incremental improvement over the previous one and every now and then the backend gets updated.

In terms of real life costs, modern Photoshop is not worth the price they charge for it, because the work was done in the past and has earned its returns a long time ago.
Nevertheless, most of us would happily buy Photoshop (even though the improvements are less and less) at the high price for the convenience of having it at our disposal - if an when we need it.

By moving to the subscription model Adobe holds you to ransom because you either pay up indefinitely or lose access to your files and "solves" that problem of having to innovate or improve along the way...

In fact, a lot of software is built on old libraries and code but the license cost keeps going up...

pwm2 wrote in post #15938448
I just bought (not subscribed) to an office license allowing me to install on multiple computers.

What you have to realize is that M$ have lots of optional routes. You can subscribe. You can buy. You can buy an OEM license that gets bound to a single computer. You can get full licenses that can be reinstalled as you upgrade. You can buy a "family" license where you can install on a number of machines. That "family" license isn't much more expensive.

OEM licenses are illegal in some European Countries - i.e. you are legally allowed to migrate the software to another computer if you wish.