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May 06, 2013 19:39 |  #1

Ok, the reason I am bringing this question up is because I am in a dilemma. Photography is a serious hobby for me, I really like to show off my work and just creating beautiful shoots, but I do not make money off of my photography. Right now I have a T2i and am looking to upgrade my body. Most of my lenses are EF-S, I was looking into the new 70D when it comes out. I was speaking with my uncle who said crop sensors are not an idea of the future and should upgrade my lenses to full frame and eventually get a full frame camera. Any thoughts from people in the business, will crop sensor cameras be around say for the next 10 to 20 years? Will they still make new EF-S lenses? Should I upgrade my glass to full frame?


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May 06, 2013 19:44 |  #2

There's nothing wrong with APS-C, and it will continue to be around, as well as EF-S lenses, for years to come.


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May 06, 2013 19:46 |  #3

imho:

Doubt APS-C is going anywhere but ahead. FF is still major bucks for most buyers and I'm betting that most of Canon's DSLR sales are from Crop Bodies.

Maybe FF will be more accessible = affordable, but not the end all for buying choices.

to add: Affordable crop bodies are the entry for making continuing customers that will grow to have brand loyalty. 1st time DSLR owner might pick up a Rebel XS, later on upgrading to say a higher end crop then FF. Manuf. make $$$ with every evolution ;)




  
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May 06, 2013 19:56 |  #4

Now that I think of it kind of a stupid question. canon just made 4 crop sensor bodies two of which are already released sl1/t5i/70d/7dmk2. but again thanks for your input guys


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May 06, 2013 19:59 |  #5

Sales will drop eventually with crop bodies. As the market gets flooded with ever cheaper second hand FF bodies and new FF bodies there just won't be the market for Canon or Nikon to keep producing crop bodies. It may take sometime, but it will happen.

Just like iPod sales have plummeted because smartphones are now iPods themselves.


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May 06, 2013 21:16 |  #6

fotoworx wrote in post #15904752 (external link)
Sales will drop eventually with crop bodies. As the market gets flooded with ever cheaper second hand FF bodies and new FF bodies there just won't be the market for Canon or Nikon to keep producing crop bodies. It may take sometime, but it will happen.

Just like iPod sales have plummeted because smartphones are now iPods themselves.

I agree with this, aside from ones saying crops have more reach, I don't see why they have to stay around 5 years from now.


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May 06, 2013 21:21 |  #7

fotoworx wrote in post #15904752 (external link)
Sales will drop eventually with crop bodies. As the market gets flooded with ever cheaper second hand FF bodies and new FF bodies there just won't be the market for Canon or Nikon to keep producing crop bodies. It may take sometime, but it will happen.

Just like iPod sales have plummeted because smartphones are now iPods themselves.

If anything kills off crops it will be smartphone cameras.


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May 06, 2013 21:24 |  #8
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2n10 wrote in post #15905061 (external link)
If anything kills off crops it will be smartphone cameras.

The mirrorless m4/3 system will put a huge dent into crop DSLR's.




  
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May 06, 2013 21:28 |  #9

Hogloff wrote in post #15905072 (external link)
The mirrorless m4/3 system will put a huge dent into crop DSLR's.

point well said.. I think that is the direction things will go




  
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May 06, 2013 21:41 as a reply to  @ Lil Red Wolf's post |  #10

It will be the same as it is now, only both size sensors will become better and higher resolution. This means things will improve over today, but its a race so you will still have situations where one is better that the other... If I was always zoomed out at 400mm for sports and birds, I would go for a crop sensor to get equiv. 600mm but since I like to shoot other things too and learned on 35mm, I want a full frame.




  
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May 06, 2013 22:07 |  #11

No real to know what will happen in the future but I think APS-C will be in SLR's for at least another 5 years.




  
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May 06, 2013 22:30 |  #12

People said the same thing 10 years ago... Now look, crop bodies are being released twice as fast as ff offerings.


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May 06, 2013 22:34 |  #13

With more compact and mirrorless cameras moving up to APS-C I'd imagine the sensor format will be around for a while longer.


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May 06, 2013 22:40 |  #14

fotoworx wrote in post #15904752 (external link)
Sales will drop eventually with crop bodies. As the market gets flooded with ever cheaper second hand FF bodies and new FF bodies there just won't be the market for Canon or Nikon to keep producing crop bodies. It may take sometime, but it will happen.

Just like iPod sales have plummeted because smartphones are now iPods themselves.

Hmmm...folks like me using cameras such as the 7D for wildlife at a distance will have to buy longer L telephotos for all of the FF cameras :D Just kidding!

I don't think that cameras with cropped sensors are going to disappear anytime soon. What I think is that cropped-sensor technology will advance even more. Besides, point-N-shoot cameras, and the ones used on smartphones are getting better and better, and this market is hot. Point and shoot cameras are easy to carry, and easy to use by just about anybody when traveling. If one is stolen, not big loss.


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May 06, 2013 23:16 |  #15

Crop cameras hold their own in terms of image quality at low to medium ISOs. You have to pixel peep to see the difference these days, and the resolutions are generally comprable (Nikon D800 aside, of course). That may change, but greater resolution incurs a secondary cost in terms of processing power and storage space, which translates to loss of speed.

Crop cameras are at a depth of field disadvantage (full frame cameras can achieve a shallower depth of field), but that's primarily because most of the lenses available for them are shared with their full frame brethren. Lens manufacturers are beginning to address that issue somewhat (see, e.g., the Sigma 18-35 f/1.8), but I expect full frame to continue to win in that regard, particularly when one uses primes. Even so, one can achieve a decently shallow depth of field with crop equipment. But sometimes you need a super-shallow depth of field, or you need it with a relatively wide angle, and it is then that full frame comes into its own.

Where crop cameras come into their own is when you need "reach". Crop cameras put more pixels on target than full frame cameras, so as long as the lens is up to the task of resolving to the capabilities of the sensor, they're able to record more detail while making use of a relatively compact lens (there is absolutely no equivalent to the 55-250 IS in the full frame world -- anything that would achieve roughly the same angle of view range is much larger).

Because of their "reach", and because telephoto lenses are by far the most expensive out there, a crop setup can be significantly less expensive overall than an equivalent (with respect to angle of view range) full frame setup. Generally speaking, once you hit a certain (rather long) focal length, a sufficiently shallow depth of field is no longer really an issue, so reach itself then becomes the thing that matters.


For the above reasons, I don't think crop cameras are going anywhere. There's a significant market for them, particularly for people who are either reach-limited or budget-limited.

Micro 4/3 cameras are indeed competitive with crop DSLRs in many respects, but where crop DSLRs shine over micro 4/3 is in their autofocus system, which is a very fast phase-detection system. I expect micro 4/3 systems to continue to improve over time in this respect, though, so there may be some point at which crop DSLRs no longer have large enough advantages to remain competitive. It'll probably be a while, though.


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