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Any word on any new crop bodies coming?

 
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May 07, 2013 12:49 |  #16

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I'm concerned that as soon as I buy the 7D, that Canon might introduce a new crop body to replace the 7D.

Don't worry, your 7D wont know a new model has been released and it will continue to work just fine. ;)


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May 07, 2013 12:57 |  #17

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May 07, 2013 16:00 |  #18

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Don't worry, your 7D wont know a new model has been released and it will continue to work just fine. ;)

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May 07, 2013 18:41 |  #19

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That does not necessarily always be the case. 5d2 dropped to approx 1500 euro here just before the 5d3 was released and then climbed back to 1600 before stock depleted on more than one internet store

...and then as soon as stock came back up again, I'll bet you the 5D2's price continued its downward spiral.

The point is that right now is probably the worst time to buy a 7D...unless I really, really, REALLY needed one, I'd wait.


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May 08, 2013 00:57 |  #20

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...and then as soon as stock came back up again, I'll bet you the 5D2's price continued its downward spiral.

The point is that right now is probably the worst time to buy a 7D...unless I really, really, REALLY needed one, I'd wait.

I think they just sold out and didn't come back. There are no 5d2 on tose sites now. Either way it doesn't really matter, but if I had no camera I would prefer to pay 100 more for it now than wait a year or two for the upgrade, but each to their own


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May 08, 2013 05:42 |  #21

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I want to hope that there is a paradigm-breaking sensor coming up. I have my doubts that they would introduce it with the 70D though. More likely with the 7DII...

If Canon releases a paradigm-breaking sensor, I doubt it'll be on any of their crop models. They're going to want the resulting camera to command a premium.

But if they do release on a crop model, then I agree, it'll be on the 7D2.


Here's the problem, though: such a sensor would cause the 7D2 to be competitive in terms of image quality with the 5D3, including at elevated ISOs. There's no way Canon is going to allow that to happen.

This is why I believe the 7D2 will not have a groundbreaking sensor, that such a sensor will be introduced on the 5D3's successor.


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May 08, 2013 05:46 |  #22

LowriderS10 wrote in post #15908427 (external link)
...and then as soon as stock came back up again, I'll bet you the 5D2's price continued its downward spiral.

The point is that right now is probably the worst time to buy a 7D...unless I really, really, REALLY needed one, I'd wait.

If we were talking about a full frame camera where the price savings would be more than a couple of hundred, then that might be sensible.

But the 7D is already going for $900 or less on the used market. Even if the price drops after the 7D2 launches, it'll be by something like $100. That's not enough to get worked up about unless one simply doesn't have the money anyway (in which case, a 7D is not really in the cards right now at all).

No, if the OP wants a 7D, he may as well get it now.


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May 08, 2013 07:17 |  #23

Canon has done this with the 18 Mp crop APS-C sensors. The equivalent FF using the same technology would be around 44 Mp and we have not seen it. My guess is that it would tax the processor too much.

After all who would buy the 1Dz with 2.5 FPS?

My guess is that they can (if they have the technology and want) introduce new technology (provided that it is ground breaking) with the 7DII and sell everything they've got, have the FF landscapists scream bloody murder for a year and the introduce a FF model and mop up the market.


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May 08, 2013 07:45 |  #24

LowriderS10 wrote in post #15908427 (external link)
...and then as soon as stock came back up again, I'll bet you the 5D2's price continued its downward spiral.

The point is that right now is probably the worst time to buy a 7D...unless I really, really, REALLY needed one, I'd wait.

I would disagree slightly. There are a lot of gear heads that are dumping there hardly used 7ds I prep for the new releases. I see a lot selling for around $800 ish with less than 5k on them. I actually sold my 50d because I was betting on the April release, and as we know it did not happen. I started seeing the 7d prices, and really sarted thinking 800 now, or are the new improvements going to be worth $1500 price tag, also no one knows, could be 2014.....to me you buy a clean used 7d, then decide when the new one comes out, bugs worked out, and sell the 7d if you want to upgrade. You see 5d mk ii selling quickly because a lot of people can't justify the mkiii price tag.

It's funny, everyone points out the 7d is old, like that starts to change that it is a bad camera. There are a awful lot of people here that take great photos with 5dc, 20/30/40/50ds......




  
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May 08, 2013 08:12 |  #25

kcbrown wrote in post #15909975 (external link)
If Canon releases a paradigm-breaking sensor, I doubt it'll be on any of their crop models. They're going to want the resulting camera to command a premium.

But if they do release on a crop model, then I agree, it'll be on the 7D2.


Here's the problem, though: such a sensor would cause the 7D2 to be competitive in terms of image quality with the 5D3, including at elevated ISOs. There's no way Canon is going to allow that to happen.

This is why I believe the 7D2 will not have a groundbreaking sensor, that such a sensor will be introduced on the 5D3's successor.

I don't know.... I'm thinking they could release a new APS-C that has better ISO performance (better than current APS-C sensors) as well as improved DR, and still not affect the so called "Full Frame" market.

I could be wrong, but seeing how close current APS-C sensors are in performance to some of the older 35mm digital sensors, it seems Canon has some wiggle room to improve what they have.


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May 08, 2013 08:14 |  #26

^^ and even a 10d (which i still use)


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May 08, 2013 08:31 |  #27

jaomul wrote in post #15909633 (external link)
I think they just sold out and didn't come back. There are no 5d2 on tose sites now. Either way it doesn't really matter, but if I had no camera I would prefer to pay 100 more for it now than wait a year or two for the upgrade, but each to their own

Hence why I said "unless you really need one"...the point being that if it's not a necessity, you might as well wait...by the way, in Korea you can still pick up brand new grey market 5D2s (100% legit, just no warranty) for $1,000....


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May 08, 2013 09:06 |  #28

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If we were talking about a full frame camera where the price savings would be more than a couple of hundred, then that might be sensible.

But the 7D is already going for $900 or less on the used market. Even if the price drops after the 7D2 launches, it'll be by something like $100. That's not enough to get worked up about unless one simply doesn't have the money anyway (in which case, a 7D is not really in the cards right now at all).

No, if the OP wants a 7D, he may as well get it now.

In fact, that's what I did. I just bought the 7D again. I need it only for telephoto. I like the 1.6x effect. I use my 5D3 for most everything else.

I would like a better sensor but I can always sell the 7D again and get an improved 7D (or replacement) if and when one comes out. I've always been good at selling anything I own. I got $1200+ for my old 7D with grip and extra battery.


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May 08, 2013 09:33 |  #29

kcbrown wrote in post #15909975 (external link)
If Canon releases a paradigm-breaking sensor, I doubt it'll be on any of their crop models. They're going to want the resulting camera to command a premium.

But if they do release on a crop model, then I agree, it'll be on the 7D2.


Here's the problem, though: such a sensor would cause the 7D2 to be competitive in terms of image quality with the 5D3, including at elevated ISOs. There's no way Canon is going to allow that to happen.

This is why I believe the 7D2 will not have a groundbreaking sensor, that such a sensor will be introduced on the 5D3's successor.

While I'm not sure if it is accurate to call the D7000 sensor paradigm-breaking, it sure has turned some heads over the past few years. While I've enjoyed the performance of my 60D, I can't help but to wonder when Canon is going to flip the playing field on Nikon and out-crop-sensor them.

It sure seems like soon would be an appropriate time for that to happen, as Canon has released how many cameras with the same 18mp sensor? T2i, 7D, 60D, T3i, EOS M, T4i, T5i, SL1 . . .

People looking to add a top-notch crop to their bag for sports and wildlife shooting can be satisfied by the 7D for only so long. Some that I know have even turned to used 1Div's in search of something more.

Chances are, that most 5Diii shooters won't even flinch when the next leap in crop sensors come out from Canon. Sure, there will be some crossover like there is now with 7D---->5Diii, but a good share of those are people who really want a crop sensor for the reach and (projected high) frame rate.


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May 08, 2013 11:36 |  #30

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While I'm not sure if it is accurate to call the D7000 sensor paradigm-breaking, it sure has turned some heads over the past few years. While I've enjoyed the performance of my 60D, I can't help but to wonder when Canon is going to flip the playing field on Nikon and out-crop-sensor them.

It sure seems like soon would be an appropriate time for that to happen, as Canon has released how many cameras with the same 18mp sensor? T2i, 7D, 60D, T3i, EOS M, T4i, T5i, SL1 . . .

People looking to add a top-notch crop to their bag for sports and wildlife shooting can be satisfied by the 7D for only so long. Some that I know have even turned to used 1Div's in search of something more.

Chances are, that most 5Diii shooters won't even flinch when the next leap in crop sensors come out from Canon. Sure, there will be some crossover like there is now with 7D---->5Diii, but a good share of those are people who really want a crop sensor for the reach and (projected high) frame rate.

Canon has been very, very profitable.... Just think about all those different cameras with similar technology, and how many Canon has sold out of those lines.... They didn't have to re-invent the wheel to make all these different models, so just think about the money made off of these bodies..... Mega money for sure.

I imagine it costs mega dollars to research, develop, test, and implement new designs and technologies, so I wonder if the last couple of bodies has been the bread and butter allowing them to finally see real profits from the original development costs that helped introduce the 7d/T2i?


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