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Natural light or flash photographer?

 
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May 09, 2013 15:00 |  #1

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I often get asked, by a new or veteran photographer, what type of photographer I am... natural light or flash? For some reason, this question drives me crazy. In the same way that the "Wow, you must have a really nice camera" comment drives some photogs crazy. Anyway, I wrote up a blog piece talking about both types... and why you shouldn't be either, but instead both. Read the post here (external link), but feel free to comment on this thread...

Is this one natural or artificially lit?
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What about this one? Might be a bit more obvious...
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May 09, 2013 15:10 |  #2

Natural light is the sun or fire. I don't see either used here.

Edit: I forgot lightning and fireflies.


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May 09, 2013 15:13 |  #3

Gatorboy wrote in post #15915458 (external link)
Natural light is the sun or fire. I don't see either used here.

I'm sitting in class and bored as I am I decided to Google, "what is natural light?"

The first response I got:

natural light
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That said, I agree. I see no natural light in either of the pictures. I do flash and ambient lights, though. :lol:


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May 09, 2013 15:42 |  #4
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I am a natural light photographer who believes that my camera can see and shoot in the dark.

Seriously, the only natural light you get is shooting somewhere where the sun light is the key light. Anything or anywhere else, you are either using ambient lighting or artificial lighting.

Oh, I am balanced light photographer...:)


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May 09, 2013 15:48 as a reply to  @ TooManyShots's post |  #5

In the realm of natural lighting, I would throw into the mix anything that you do not supplement, or add. So, that includes ambient and/or any light source that is just there... naturally. Whether its man made or not, doesn't matter.

In regards to the question, the first photo is naturally lit, by the sun through a skylight in the church. The second is bounce flash.


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May 09, 2013 15:48 |  #6

I'm an available light photographer. My flashes are always available.




  
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May 09, 2013 16:14 |  #7

Trent Gillespie wrote in post #15915434 (external link)
I often get asked, by a new or veteran photographer, what type of photographer I am... natural light or flash? For some reason, this question drives me crazy.

Oh. instead of natural light you mean available light!

It's not a good question, since it implies that every photographic situation demands a strict either-or-decision. There are many many situations where both available light and flash are useful at the same time. This car show interior image used on board camera flash as accent illumination where the sun angle left the interior too dark to show details.

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And, of course, there are many other situations where fill flash is useful, even in the brightest sunlight. This cyclocross image used fill flash to compensate for heavy backlighting.

IMAGE: http://i1174.photobucket.com/albums/r601/kevinlillard/20120930b0157_zps1ef0a3a2.jpg

So, the answer should drive no one crazy. The use of flash depends on the situation, and experience should dictate when flash is needed. The answer will be different for different situations.



  
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May 09, 2013 17:51 |  #8

What if you turn on a lamp or open a curtain in the room for the specific reason of taking a photo? While not a flash, you have still added/modified the available light for the purpose of a photo......that would be no different than using a flash IMO. A flash is nothing more than another source of light that we can use at our disposal.




  
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May 09, 2013 20:17 |  #9

Wayyyyyyy off topic, but is that an Avanti?


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May 09, 2013 21:33 |  #10

gonzogolf wrote in post #15915568 (external link)
I'm an available light photographer. My flashes are always available.

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May 09, 2013 21:41 |  #11

KirkS518 wrote in post #15916323 (external link)
Wayyyyyyy off topic, but is that an Avanti?

Looks like a Citroen of some kind.


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May 09, 2013 21:52 |  #12

gonzogolf wrote in post #15915568 (external link)
I'm an available light photographer. My flashes are always available.

This !

I will use whatever lighting is available to get the shot (in the past I have used car headlights, a small (but bright) handheld flashlight, a mil spec searchlight, halogen worklights, small flashes, big flashes, and whatever other light is around)


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May 10, 2013 04:38 |  #13

gonzogolf wrote in post #15915568 (external link)
I'm an available light photographer. My flashes are always available.


count me in also as an "available light" guy




  
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May 10, 2013 07:17 |  #14

Count me in as a "whatever light works for the shot" guy.

I will use flash, headlights, standard lamp, fluorescent etc if it will get the shot I want.


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May 10, 2013 11:03 |  #15

I think at some point most photogs are one or the other and eventually become both. As outlined by Jeffrey...

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I think it's kind of a typical journey, at least for people that can afford it.

1) Get dSLR, kit lens.
2) Frustrated with onboard flash, lousy indoor pictures.
3) Get a fast prime. Amazed.
4) The lost years - all shallow DOF all the time. Talk about 'bokeh' a lot.
5) Sell all zooms. Talk about being an 'all primes' shooter like this is the same as 'have huge manhood'.
6) Grandma says "Nice picture, shame all of Suzie isn't in focus." Shake head at crazy old lady. Later realize old lady has a good point.
7) Realize that not all available light is pretty light. Get Speedlight. Amazed by bouncing light.
8) Read strobist blog. Sell all fast primes. Travel everywhere with two lightstands and remotes.
9) Get sick of lugging lighting gear everywhere. Rethink everything.
10) Realize that good available light is fine, and the ability to make good light is important too. Acquire balanced kit of zooms and primes that match interests. Shoot with available light sometimes, shoot with flash sometimes.


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