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May 11, 2013 01:04 |  #1

The launch of the 5D3 and 6D were exciting and I saved up funds to make the switch from my 5D2 to a 5D3 or 6D. Now that I have the money, as I pondered my options, studying my shots over the last year or so, I find that I am not held back by the 5D2's ISO limitations but could really benefit from better AF on the long end (e.g., birds, planes, hot air balloons, etc.).

I decided to keep my 5D2 and purchase a 7D as a base for my 100-400, 70-200 w/TC, 100L (macro). I believed the 7D AF, while not as advanced as the 5D3, will meet my needs, and I'll benefit from the reach advantage of the crop.

Am I missing something?

Some background: My 5D2 mostly hosts a 17mm, 24mm or 16-35mm (mostly landscape). I use a 35, 85 and 70-200 for shooting people (with tripod and flash setup, I don't need to push the ISO). I fall short when shooting long. The 5D2 just isn't it. Both AF and reach fall short. I have a T2i to cover the reach, but it's focus is not as accurate as the 5D2.

I'm looking for affirmation that I'm heading in the right direction (keeping the 5D2 and adding a 7D) or counter points from folks who have been here and back (a 5D3/6D is required :-)




  
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May 11, 2013 01:16 |  #2

I have the 5DIII - and bought the 7D to get a second body. Sold the 7D after 7 months as I didn't use it.
My advice buy the 5DIII - you wont regret




  
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May 11, 2013 01:24 |  #3

I've also wanted a 5D3, but my 5D2 is so good for everything that I shoot.....I've decided to hang back a little while to see what Canon will be announcing that they're bringing out next.


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May 11, 2013 01:26 |  #4

newporthomie wrote in post #15920507 (external link)
I have the 5DIII - and bought the 7D to get a second body. Sold the 7D after 7 months as I didn't use it.
My advice buy the 5DIII - you wont regret

So you didn't miss the reach after dumping the 7d? Is the 5D3 AF much better? Did the 7D just not fit your style/needs or was it something more?




  
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May 11, 2013 01:41 |  #5

frankk wrote in post #15920520 (external link)
So you didn't miss the reach after dumping the 7d? Is the 5D3 AF much better? Did the 7D just not fit your style/needs or was it something more?

I think his issue, was he had two pro bodies, and ended up only using one, so mine as well sell it.

The question is if you had a 5D3 and a 7D sitting on the shelf at home, wanted to go shoot some birds, so you reached for the proper tool, what camera would you pick up?

If it's the 5D3, sell your 7D and 5D2, and get a 5D3. If it would be the 7D, you made a good choice.


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May 11, 2013 06:43 |  #6

mafoo wrote in post #15920538 (external link)
The question is if you had a 5D3 and a 7D sitting on the shelf at home, wanted to go shoot some birds, so you reached for the proper tool, what camera would you pick up?

Yes. Right now, if I am going to 'shoot some birds', I grab a T2i (over my 5D2) so I'm wondering, does the 5D3 change the 'grabbing' desicion? And why? I.e., why are you willing to give up the reach?




  
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May 11, 2013 06:57 |  #7

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Am I missing something?
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I'm looking for affirmation that I'm heading in the right direction (keeping the 5D2 and adding a 7D) or counter points from folks who have been here and back (a 5D3/6D is required :-)

You're not missing anything. Though the 5DMkIII is the all around best camera out there excluding the 1D series, the MkII/7D combo has to be the most versatile setup. It gives you the best of both bodies. The high ISO, image quality of the 5DMkII is so close to the MkIII or 6D as to be negligible and the pixel density of the 7D is really an advantage when birding or shooting long.

So, you have the best landscape/portrait/hig​h ISO aspects covered with the MkII and action/reach/sport covered with the 7D. In addition, you have a nice backup in case something breaks on one body and to top it off, you save enough $$ to pick up a decent L lens as a bonus.


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May 11, 2013 07:49 |  #8

gjl711 wrote in post #15920840 (external link)
You're not missing anything. Though the 5DMkIII is the all around best camera out there excluding the 1D series, the MkII/7D combo has to be the most versatile setup. It gives you the best of both bodies. The high ISO, image quality of the 5DMkII is so close to the MkIII or 6D as to be negligible and the pixel density of the 7D is really an advantage when birding or shooting long.

So, you have the best landscape/portrait/hig​h ISO aspects covered with the MkII and action/reach/sport covered with the 7D. In addition, you have a nice backup in case something breaks on one body and to top it off, you save enough $$ to pick up a decent L lens as a bonus.


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May 11, 2013 07:59 |  #9

Sorry, I disagree.

I just sold both my 7D and 5D Mk II for the 5D Mk III. I thought I might miss the reach and fps of the 7D but that has not been the case. I can tell you that if I still had the 7D sitting on the shelf, I would grab the 5D Mk III to shoot sports, or wild life, or anything else.

If I need the reach I add my 1.4x II and can also crop as needed. As far as fps, I find that the better AF of the 6fps 5D MK III gets me more "keepers" than the 8fps of the 7D.

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May 11, 2013 08:37 |  #10

msowsun wrote in post #15920928 (external link)
Sorry, I disagree.

I just sold both my 7D and 5D Mk II for the 5D Mk III. I thought I might miss the reach and fps of the 7D but that has not been the case. I can tell you that if I still had the 7D sitting on the shelf, I would grab the 5D Mk III to shoot sports, or wild life, or anything else.

Sure, but he already has a 5D2, so he knows whether he's reach-limited. The 5D3 is no more "croppable" than the 5D2, right?

If he's grabbing at a crop camera for reach instead of his 5D2, then he is indeed reach-limited, and a 7D will be much more appropriate for him.


If he's grabbing a crop camera only for better autofocus, on the other hand, then a 5D3 may be a better way for him to go.


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May 11, 2013 08:38 |  #11

frankk wrote in post #15920492 (external link)
The launch of the 5D3 and 6D were exciting and I saved up funds to make the switch from my 5D2 to a 5D3 or 6D. Now that I have the money, as I pondered my options, studying my shots over the last year or so, I find that I am not held back by the 5D2's ISO limitations but could really benefit from better AF on the long end (e.g., birds, planes, hot air balloons, etc.).

I decided to keep my 5D2 and purchase a 7D as a base for my 100-400, 70-200 w/TC, 100L (macro). I believed the 7D AF, while not as advanced as the 5D3, will meet my needs, and I'll benefit from the reach advantage of the crop.

Am I missing something?

Some background: My 5D2 mostly hosts a 17mm, 24mm or 16-35mm (mostly landscape). I use a 35, 85 and 70-200 for shooting people (with tripod and flash setup, I don't need to push the ISO). I fall short when shooting long. The 5D2 just isn't it. Both AF and reach fall short. I have a T2i to cover the reach, but it's focus is not as accurate as the 5D2.

I'm looking for affirmation that I'm heading in the right direction (keeping the 5D2 and adding a 7D) or counter points from folks who have been here and back (a 5D3/6D is required :-)

If you find yourself limited in "reach", then this is certainly the right decision. I have no reason to believe the 7D's autofocus won't meet your needs -- it'll be quite a lot more versatile than the 5D2's.

If you already got the 7D, then use it and learn for yourself whether you made the right decision. You will know based on how often you wind up using it and whether or not you're happy with the results.


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May 11, 2013 08:42 |  #12

unless I needed two bodies I will get 5dmk3. It is very very nice camera. Even shooting portraits with fast glass it is joy to use compared to any other canon besides 1dx. Folks who saying get 7d haven't shot with 5dmk3.

I shot some high school football last yr and FF with 300mm f2.8 was awesome look. AF was superb for any task. 6fps was little slower for some things though.


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May 11, 2013 08:43 |  #13

bobbyz wrote in post #15921033 (external link)
..Folks who saying get 7d haven't shot with 5dmk3.

Um.. yes we have.


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May 11, 2013 08:47 |  #14

I had no issues with my 3 5D2 bodies...
The 5D3 was intriguing...

And then my hands touched one, and the buying & selling quickly followed


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May 11, 2013 08:55 |  #15

kcbrown wrote in post #15921025 (external link)
Sure, but he already has a 5D2, so he knows whether he's reach-limited. The 5D3 is no more "croppable" than the 5D2, right? No, i find the cropped images form the 5D Mk III have much more detail. The images in general are just nicer.

If he's grabbing at a crop camera for reach instead of his 5D2, then he is indeed reach-limited, and a 7D will be much more appropriate for him. If you add the 1.4x you are very close to the same crop factor of the 7D.


If he's grabbing a crop camera only for better autofocus, on the other hand, then a 5D3 may be a better way for him to go. The 5D Mk III is simply an amazing camera. I didn't think it would be as good as it is. I only upgraded because I got tired of the old AF and menus of the Mk II.

The recent 1.2.1 Firmware adds even more usability with f/8 focusing and Clean HDMI output.

Also, for any of you who shoot video, The 5D Mk III is miles ahead of the Mk II or 7D when it comes to features and options.

- Headphone monitoring and playback
- Audio meter display while recording
- Audio level, exposure, and ISO adjustment while recording
- Silent Control touchpad adjustment while recording
- Choice of video compression (IPB or ALL-I)
- Ability to set Time Code reference


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