OutPut with Capture One

Hi everybody,

I use Canon 350D and shoot only in Raw format....
and use Capture One to process the files.....
But the problem is that the out put is different
than what I see in the Capture one window in
terms of Sharpness, Saturation, Contrast, and everything......

even when I have my saturation increased to 4.0
I normally have my sharpness to 150 with threshold set to 3-15
depending on the image noise.....
and the reduse noise level to 75......


I output options are set to produce tiff files at 100% scaling.....
and profile is set to "Convert to Destination"
which is :

Camera Profile : Canon EOS 350D generic
Destination Profile : Adobe RGB 1998

Now please help me with getting good outputs

Thanks
Kaipu

What app are you using to view the tiffs after converting? If it is not color management aware, you will probably see a difference in your images.

I was thinking the same thing - and if the application is colour management aware, but your screen isn't properly profiled and calibrated, it could be that something strange is happening with the conversion from Adobe RGB to screen colours (the Adobe RGB gamut is wider than most screens).

David

Thanks Jim and David for the replies.....

I use Irfanview to view the tiff files.....
I also tried "Windows Picture Viewer"
but there is no difference........

HTTP response: NOT FOUND | MIME changed to 'image/png'

David I also tried to save the image in the sRGB Colour space but nothing
changed except the colour saturation it was a little better......
But the main thing is the sharpness which is so critical to the final image
and its not there at all........
There is a big difference in the sharpness (May not be visible in the ScreenShot)
and I don't think its a matter of Monitor calibration as I am comparing both the images
on the pc side by side......

Please help me sortout this problem......

kaipu......

Two things come to mind. Capture One "simulates' the sharpening in the preview window, so that could account for the difference. Also, be sure you're viewing both images at the same magnification. Otherwise, there is no way to compare the two. The sample images you posted are too small to tell a difference. (at least to my eyes)

Also make sure you haven't ticked "Disable Sharpening on output" in the preferences window for C1.

I would not bother w/ sharpening during pp unless you feel that they are not going to be PS them. Sharpening should be the final step.

It may not make any difference but I just noticed that the scaling for output is 100.22% - try changing that to 100% just in case the extra .22% is having an adverse effect due to scaling.

I think you will find many that disagree with this statement. Effective sharpening should occur at several stages of the workflow. I sharpen imeediately after raw conversion, selective sharpening for contrast during at several points during editing, and final output sharpening. The method of sharpening depends on the output format.

So far every thing I have read on this subject argues to the point that sharpening should be done during the final stage. If the final stage is in fact the conversion step then I must agree. In my experience, which is relatively brief,that sharpening during the conversion stage introduce unnecessary noise and makes it difficult to make the necessary adjustment in PS. The only adjustment that should be done during the conversion is the WB and exposure because it is the most effective way. Sharpening is more effective with other application other then the conversion SW. But, then again if the conversion SW is the only SW that will be use then by all means go ahead and use it.

Sorry, LD. I thought you meant at the final step, like before output to a printer, or jpeg. I don't recommend doing any sharpening during raw conversion. Glenn Mitchell from TLR, our own Scottes, and several articles on luminous-landscapes are my inspiration for that recommendation. None of the conversion tools I've tried offers the kind of control that photoshop's tools offer. I sharpen after raw conversion, during editing - usually to add contrast, and just before posting to the web or printing. Each round is a little different. Mitch's TLR sharpening scripts are invaluable as a time saver. If you are a little savy, you can edit the Javascript (.js file) so that an action can run the scripts silently (no UI, with preconfigured settings) on a batch. Very convenient.

I had the same 2 problems as you when i started shooting RAW
heres what i found.
if i sharpened in C1 it looked good but when i viewed the output using Windows XP fax/picture viewer set to fit screen it would look soft. if i then clicked show at full size and then back to fit to screen the picture would look very much over sharpened with white dots all over the place.
I found that if i output the jpg at say 800x532 with sharpening in C1 it would look just as good when viewed full size in XP.
I think the problem is in C1 you are viewing at a different size to how you are viewing later on in a different program, also C1 is only giving you a simulation of sharpening and it adjusts it depending on the size of the shot on screen (i think)
give it a go and see if this helps.
As for the colour, as pointed out save as sRGB and it should look the same when you use XP to view it
Hope this helps

Edit: just seen Bodogs reply. sorry for duplicating

I know this is an old thread but i too have just started getting exactly the same problem.

I have cailbrated my monitor and have got everything (monitor, C1, PS) set to sRGB IEC61966-2.1, i've even tried as dave_bass5 has suggested and saved the jpgs as 800x532, but still my output images are not as they were in C1.

This is really infuriating me now, so any help would be much appreciated.

Thanks
Warren

Explain the "difference" please, Warren.

Also - which version of Cap One are you using? There was an acknowledged issue with the Cap One 4 preview being less than accurate in earlier versions (4.5.1 is the current version).

Ok the differnce is that in the C1 preview the images are much sharper and i have adjusted the colour to my liking. However when viewed using Windows picture/fax viewer (and also when i open them in Photoshop) they are a lot softer and the colour nothing like how i had adjusted them too. For instance in one of the shots i processed using C1 Pro 3.7.8 the sky was full of purples & lilacs in the preview but when viewed elsewhere the whole image was really dark and the sky was a dull grey.

I really want to continue using C1 as the images appear to be great in the preview, better than i have managed to get them using other RAW processors, but at the moment until i can get to the bottom of this problem i feel unwilling to process any of my shots as they don't look as good.

Hope this further info can help someone to help me.

Warren