Anyone use Picasa?

Thanks for all the comments, but Is the loss In quality from Raw to Tiff normal? I compared side by side of the same Image raw and tiff, and there Is a big drop In IQ, Im saving as uncrompessed 24bit tiff files, so I dont understand why the finished ex DPP raw to Tiff files are so lacking In detail like going from HD to normal or 3D to 2D, Stereo to Mono....


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You are probably doing something wrong, honestly. There should be essentially NO difference.

I have been playing with Picsa mainly to organize and share event photos between some event volunteers. I haven't used it as an editor and between DPP and Photoshop, I really don't need another editor.

Picassa is great as an organiser and for some easy editing before emailing, great also for simple resizing. It has some editing ability and doesn't actually edit your files, just edits in Picassa non destructively

jaomul wrote in post #15927539
Picassa is great as an organiser and for some easy editing before emailing, great also for simple resizing. It has some editing ability and doesn't actually edit your files, just edits in Picassa non destructively

If you save your changes it saves those to the original file, but then backs up the file in the "originals" folder. So I guess that's a yes and no.

Pagman...I use the Canon ZoomBrowser utility to read my memcards. I then process the raws in DPP and convert to jpgs for "publishing/printing".

Have you tried the raw to jpg conversion in DPP and then used Fastones for organization and minor processing?

I have been using the old Adobe PhotoShop Album program for this. But, Adobe no longer supports this free sw and it has a built in limit of an image size of 12 mp...meaning Picasa would be the next move with a newer camera.

Good luck, Paul

So Picasa Is not realy any Improvement for editing over Fastone and DPP and as I can catalogue and re size for sites like this easily with Fastone, then Picasa Is probably not needed, Just wish I could get my head around why my final Images In Fastone are not that great, I've wondered If It a limited version due to It being a free download, I have tried to email their support to enquire how I can go about Improving the IQ of my pics.

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I wonder If Fastone struggles abit with Tiff files? perhaps their system Isnt as good as for jpeg files, I must be honest I have not tried jpeg saving from DPP to Fastone as I still wanted the ability to edit without degrading files.

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Pagman wrote in post #15925744
Yep! I use DPP for my pp of my Raw, but I have found after doing this work and before saving to another site(fastone) that my altered work Is brilliant sharp and very well corrected, but after saving as Tiff and opening In Fastone all my detail and sharpness of the worked on Raw files, has gone almost like going from 3D to 2D -flat and lifeless, they would then require alot of work In Fastone to try to get that IQ back that was In the Raw Images In DPP, that why I considered changing my Fastone for a better hosting/displaying site that I could use to view the same level of IQ as my Raw DPP files, and convert and save to display on here very good quality jpeg Images that are not flat and lack lustre like the ones that I have been showing due to Fastone no dout.
I have also uptil now had to use Fastone as my download off card reader host site, as I dont think DPP can do this strait off the reader? or can It?


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Yes it can. Just navigate to the reader in the folder tree and select the images you want.

Pagman wrote in post #15925744
Yep! I use DPP for my pp of my Raw, but I have found after doing this work and before saving to another site(fastone) that my altered work Is brilliant sharp and very well corrected, but after saving as Tiff and opening In Fastone all my detail and sharpness of the worked on Raw files, has gone almost like going from 3D to 2D -flat and lifeless, they would then require alot of work In Fastone to try to get that IQ back that was In the Raw Images In DPP, that why I considered changing my Fastone for a better hosting/displaying site that I could use to view the same level of IQ as my Raw DPP files, and convert and save to display on here very good quality jpeg Images that are not flat and lack lustre like the ones that I have been showing due to Fastone no dout.
I have also uptil now had to use Fastone as my download off card reader host site, as I dont think DPP can do this strait off the reader? or can It?

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Yogi Bear wrote in post #15927982
Yes it can. Just navigate to the reader in the folder tree and select the images you want.

You can follow the above approach, but there is more flexibility if you use either the Canon EOS Utilities or Zoombrowser to download. Both came on the disk with your camera and upgrades are available through the Canon Web site.

EOS Utilities has other features as well (including "tethered" shooting) and would be worth looking into.

tonylong wrote in post #15928475
You can follow the above approach, but there is more flexibility if you use either the Canon EOS Utilities or Zoombrowser to download. Both came on the disk with your camera and upgrades are available through the Canon Web site.

EOS Utilities has other features as well (including "tethered" shooting) and would be worth looking into.

Hi Tony, I brought the camera second hand without any disks, so I just purchase a flash reader, and hooked It up and opened the files/downloaded Into Fastone, then I opened DPP and do my Raw pp, then I save and convert to either Tiff or Jpeg at 72dpi and 100percent quality, then re check crop straiten In Fastone.

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Pagman wrote in post #15928530
Hi Tony, I brought the camera second hand without any disks, so I just purchase a flash reader, and hooked It up and opened the files/downloaded Into Fastone, then I opened DPP and do my Raw pp, then I save and convert to either Tiff or Jpeg at 72dpi and 100percent quality, then re check crop straiten In Fastone.

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Well, you can do that, but Utilities and ZoomBrowser do have ways of doing things that can make life a bit easier. You can download the latest versions of those apps, in fact since you have DPP installed I believe that you can get them without any hassle.

Do the edited CR2 and exported Tiff look the same in DPP at 1:1 view? They should.

Pagman wrote in post #15927328
The problem and hence a question - after raw processing In DPP and save and convert to Fastone 4.8 as a Tiff, my Images are a lot less punchy and vibrant compared to the Raw files In DPP, Is this normal? and If not why might this be?

Compare sharpness at 1:1 view (100%) in both applications.

Not using Faststone, but you used to need to manually enable color management in Faststone: From their website: "To enable it, go to "CMS" tab in the "Settings"."

Check that.

Also: In DPP set the proper monitor profile as monitor profile (or choose "use OS Setting") on Windows.

Set sRGB as working space (unless you know why to set AdobeRGB)

Check those as well.

René Damkot wrote in post #15928903
Do the edited CR2 and exported Tiff look the same in DPP at 1:1 view? They should.

Compare sharpness at 1:1 view (100%) in both applications.

Not using Faststone, but you used to need to manually enable color management in Faststone: From their website: "To enable it, go to "CMS" tab in the "Settings"."

Check that.

Also: In DPP set the proper monitor profile as monitor profile (or choose "use OS Setting") on Windows.

Set sRGB as working space (unless you know why to set AdobeRGB)

Check those as well.

Does changing the dpi size make any difference to viewing as I had It set a 72dpi at first, would changing It to 300dpi If just viewed on a laptop screen where my resolution is 1024, also what about the convert and save opption - Tiff and Tiff 24bit, Tiff 8bit, Tiff and jpeg icc, or 24bit jpeg???

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Pagman wrote in post #15929019
Does changing the dpi size make any difference to viewing as I had It set a 72dpi at first, would changing It to 300dpi If just viewed on a laptop screen where my resolution is 1024,

The dpi/ppi figure is initially just a "tag" that is included as part of the jpg "standard" and does not affect your viewing of the image on the Web. Some software gives you a choice as to whether to view the image in the "as set" resolution but until you are actually preparing a print that's not of much use.

When outputting an image to be viewed on the Web or generic software, the most useful thing is to set your pixel dimensions to resize the image for "normal" viewing. For POTN, there is a limit of 1024 pixels at the longest dimension so that images will "fit" in most screens without the need to scroll around (although with small laptops and other devices they may need to scroll).

I don't know of a "24 bit jpeg" -- most jpegs are only 8 bits or with the newer jpeg conversions I believe you can get 16 bits per channel.

But at any rate, what you convert to depends on your use. And, some software won't handle some things as well as other software. So if from DPP you convert and save as a 16-bit tiff, well, you will preserve the max amount of quality/detail, but some software won't handle that so well. I'd experiment. If you are only viewing pics at a "normal" viewing size, then rather than a full-size tiff you could get by with a resized jpeg converted with a decent Image Quality setting and open it in your other software for viewing. To do "serious editing", though, a tiff could be your best answer, although 8 bits per channel is an alternative using a smaller file size.