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May 13, 2013 20:01 |  #31

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The dpi/ppi figure is initially just a "tag" that is included as part of the jpg "standard" and does not affect your viewing of the image on the Web. Some software gives you a choice as to whether to view the image in the "as set" resolution but until you are actually preparing a print that's not of much use.

When outputting an image to be viewed on the Web or generic software, the most useful thing is to set your pixel dimensions to resize the image for "normal" viewing. For POTN, there is a limit of 1024 pixels at the longest dimension so that images will "fit" in most screens without the need to scroll around (although with small laptops and other devices they may need to scroll).


I don't know of a "24 bit jpeg" -- most jpegs are only 8 bits or with the newer jpeg conversions I believe you can get 16 bits per channel.

But at any rate, what you convert to depends on your use. And, some software won't handle some things as well as other software. So if from DPP you convert and save as a 16-bit tiff, well, you will preserve the max amount of quality/detail, but some software won't handle that so well. I'd experiment. If you are only viewing pics at a "normal" viewing size, then rather than a full-size tiff you could get by with a resized jpeg converted with a decent Image Quality setting and open it in your other software for viewing. To do "serious editing", though, a tiff could be your best answer, although 8 bits per channel is an alternative using a smaller file size.

Thank you for all that Tony I realy appreciate your patience, one other thing I should mention - because of the Tiff Tiff DPP files when opened In Fastone they are a 2 piece file of 46.9mb as they also contaian a thumnail, so the only way to get rid of this Is to do a very slight crop-Just the slightest edge, and save again as a Tiff Uncrompressed and 24bit, this normaly takes It down to a 6-8mb file from a 46.9(these are based on an 8.1mp size file of 3504 on the long side).

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May 13, 2013 20:12 |  #32

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Thank you for all that Tony I realy appreciate your patience, one other thing I should mention - because of the Tiff Tiff DPP files when opened In Fastone they are a 2 piece file of 46.9mb as they also contaian a thumnail, so the only way to get rid of this Is to do a very slight crop-Just the slightest edge, and save again as a Tiff Uncrompressed and 24bit, this normaly takes It down to a 6-8mb file from a 46.9(these are based on an 8.1mp size file of 3504 on the long side).

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OK, I'm not sure where you are getting the "24 bit" part -- I believe that DPP gives you the choice of 8 bit tiffs and 16 bit tiffs -- where are you seeing the 24 bit part? If you do 8 bits you get a more manageable file size (your 6-8 MB files could be right) and a 16 bit tiff will be much larger (and so your 46.9 MB files).


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May 13, 2013 20:17 |  #33

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OK, I'm not sure where you are getting the "24 bit" part -- I believe that DPP gives you the choice of 8 bit tiffs and 16 bit tiffs -- where are you seeing the 24 bit part? If you do 8 bits you get a more manageable file size (your 6-8 MB files could be right) and a 16 bit tiff will be much larger (and so your 46.9 MB files).

When I open a Tiff file In Fastone It says - 8.19mp 48bit Tiff file of 46.9mb size, sorry my mistake saying 24bit.

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May 13, 2013 21:49 |  #34

I only use it to share photos with others. It works well for that and online storage space is cheap. I can upload JPEGs at full size so others can download the image and do what they want with it. I don't do PP with it.


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May 13, 2013 22:37 |  #35

regardless you shouldn't be seeing a ton of difference comparing RAW vs JPEG or TIFF.

Here is a shot viewed in DPP and the straight exported JPEG in PIcasa. Screenshots so this is what I actually see. My settings are Exif-Jpeg, Quality 9, DPI setting is 350 (irrelevant setting) and Embed ICC is checked.

Picasa does display a little bit softer than RAW in DPP, but it is not like you described in the OP of being flat and lifeless.

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May 15, 2013 14:09 |  #36

I always liked using Picasa for view/organizing, but I thought I had read somewhere that it would screw up your keywording/exif stuff if using LR also. Maybe that was an old version. Might have to check it out again.


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May 15, 2013 14:32 as a reply to  @ toolman21's post |  #37

I have been trying out DPP/Gimp and re worked an old Pic, what do you think?...

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May 15, 2013 16:35 |  #38

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I have been trying out DPP/Gimp and re worked an old Pic, what do you think?...P.

Are you saying you originally edited this in Picasa? Did you shoot in Raw or jpeg? Do you have a Picasa "Before" so we can compare?


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May 15, 2013 16:43 |  #39

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Are you saying you originally edited this in Picasa? Did you shoot in Raw or jpeg? Do you have a Picasa "Before" so we can compare?

No mate this was originaly a DPP/FastStone Tiff with some final edditing done In FastStone but the original was lacking abit of HD, so I re did the Raw file In DPP then saved as a Jpeg and opened In Gimp and done abit of additional pp In there, then just adjusted for Internet In FastStone and posted on here, I will have to download Picasa again If I am to replace FastStone with It for use as a viewer/re-size tool, but I think these DPP/Gimp Jpeg files are better...:D




  
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May 15, 2013 16:48 as a reply to  @ Pagman's post |  #40

I have re-done this one aswel, just abit of messing around with a rusty nail.....

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May 16, 2013 16:05 |  #41

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I have been trying out DPP/Gimp and re worked an old Pic, what do you think?...

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Never saw the original. ;)
This one is okay, but I would prefer some detail in the blacks.


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May 16, 2013 17:04 |  #42

I too convert the raw files in DPP and view the tiffs in FastStone Image Viewer - no IQ loss at all.

Normally, I'd keep Color Management disabled in FastStone, as it works faster this way and the majority of my pictures are saved in sRGB. To view pictures saved in aRGB or WideGamut properly, I have to switch Color Management on.




  
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May 16, 2013 17:09 |  #43

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I too convert the raw files in DPP and view the tiffs in FastStone Image Viewer - no IQ loss at all.

Normally, I'd keep Color Management disabled in FastStone, as it works faster this way and the majority of my pictures are saved in sRGB. To view pictures saved in aRGB or WideGamut properly, I have to switch Color Management on.

But why use FastStone? What do you do in FastStone that you can't do in DPP?


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May 16, 2013 17:20 |  #44

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But why use FastStone? What do you do in FastStone that you can't do in DPP?

Much faster viewing, organizing, occasional downsizing and converting to jpeg...

Not for editing: what can't be done in DPP I do in PhotoLine on the tiff.




  
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May 16, 2013 17:36 |  #45

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Much faster viewing, organizing, occasional downsizing and converting to jpeg...

Not for editing: what can't be done in DPP I do in PhotoLine on the tiff.

I have to agree FastStone does have a very well laid out and easy to understand layout, that Is easy to work with and view pictures In different ways, It Is like the final cinema of pictures and Its page layout Is very concise and easy to follow and alter settings, Just Its pp alterations are not as good as more proffesional sites - Gimp, Adobe etc, and I think DPP (as I view It anyway), Is a dedicated Raw conversion and pp site,

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